Something we all know that Toyota told us but didn't catch

Do you just regurgitate everything you here? Pretty lame post on your part. I do love the conspiracy theory... or is your friends, uncles brother a Toyota engineer?
Just STFU already

 

You don't have to like the truck, but he's not necessarily wrong. The way I see it, the Gen 3 has two things working against it.
1. This engine/transmission combo is following up on the heels of the venerable 4.0/5speed, which feels different. Had this truck been a new iteration after a long break, say with what Ford is doing with the Ranger, there'd be much less complaining about the engine and transmission. Some people would think it felt a little weird, but not having an immediate predecessor to compare it to, the criticism would be much less.
2. I think Toyota could have seriously mitigated a lot of the griping if they had made ECT mode the standard mode, then included an "ECO" button to put the truck into what is currently the default mode. People would have gotten in, the truck would have felt different, but peppy nonetheless, and then there'd be some discussion on here about how unless you really want to save gas, you don't put the truck into that slow ECO mode. I realize this is a very minor detail, all you have to do is push a button, but little things like this have a big effect.

 

I had very similar comments about my Macan; sport mode should have been the standard mode, and the lesser 'eco' mode engaged when the stop/start mode was engaged.

 

Just one problem, the Tacoma has to meet minimum MPG guidelines and it can't in ETC mode. So the "Stock" Truck has to meet the new MPG guidelines right off the lot. So in a way ETC mode is there so Toyota can meet the MPG requirements and then offer a mode "for towing and when more power is needed"

 

Is there really that huge a difference in gas mileage between ECT and regular, though? Not being facetious, I've never actually measured it out. I know you're not going to get that great "MPG in sixth gear on a flat country road" in ECT mode, but how much of a difference are we really talking about? You're probably right in what they were thinking, but I'd bet given conservative driving, you could eke out comparable MPG's in ECT.

 

Not huge but yes. ETC mode holds gears longer and the throttle mapping is more sensitive which means for the same pedal movement, you are getting more fuel. The difference is MPG in acceleration. No difference in hwy driving.

 

Yep and this is a thread for Tacoma enthusiasts who think there is a powertrain issue with the 3rd Gen. Honestly, I don't understand the mentality of someone who thinks the powertrain is fine/great/dandy/OK bothering to come in here and telling other people their opinion is invalid.

Some people with older Tacomas have reported better mpg with ECT on. I think it's probably dependent on your specific driving environment.

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/ect-power-mpg-increase-why.133243/

 

Yeah, because all these enthusiasts are bringing down the sour mood....lol.

What exactly do you expect to accomplish bitching about your "problems"?

 

Are you serious? Do you not understand how human interactions work? if enough people express a dissatisfaction with any product (or an aspect of a product) there are several possible possible outcomes that can benefit the the expresser personally as well as the community in general:

1. The manufacturer can attempt to remedy the situation (like the two TSBs Toyota has issued for management software).
2. Enterprising skilled individuals can look to provide solutions...like the SSP, the Sprint Booster, and the one I've chosen, the OVtune.
3. In the manufacturer's NEXT version of this vehicle, hopefully they will take this "bitching" about a problem THEY HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED EXISTS (hence the TSBs) they will do a better job with the eng/ trans combo and management software.

It is VERY clear what the POSSIBLE benefits are of voicing ones concerns with a product are...that is how the product get's improved.

The question should not be what do we hope to gain by "bitching about our problem", even though I've answered it for you, the question should be WHY DO YOU CARE THAT WE BITCH ABOUT THESE PROBLEMS? It has no effect on you whatsoever, except for possibly leading to more product choices that you can simply ignore if you are perfectly happy. You need to divorce your sense of self-worth from your vehicle. That way when someone complains about this inanimate object, your ego doesn't feel assaulted. Nobody is attacking you, yet you feel the need to attack people who express a dissatisfaction with a certain aspect of a particular product. THINK about it.

 

Normally I steer clear of irrational people, but I will make an exception here.

Making statements that certain points of view aren't welcome in certain threads is "beyond the pale" ludicrous.

Attacking members who post in threads because their opinion doesn't agree with yours is antithetical to open public forums.

Hoping that continually complaining in an internet forum will change anything a huge international corporation is doing is a really interesting way to expect your perceived issues to be resolved.

I am here to learn, and I take exception to the position that I don't belong here because I am happy with my vehicle.

 

So you have two choices in regards to a location, to voice your complaints:
1. An internet forum, where you have to prove nothing and you don't even have to own a truck nor have a problem to complain. You can be twelve years old and post here from your mom's basement. Or
2. A certified dealership or Toyota Customer Care. These options will know you are a real owner, will know how to process your complaint and have the ability to give you a resolution.

Which one do you choose? More importantly, which one will Toyota choose to use? Hint: it's not an internet forum lol.

Absolutely you can have a complaint here and Mayne someone has the same problem and fixed it and offered you a solution too. Some problems can get fixed that way. Some won't, yet those posters keep posting the same thing over and over, along with opinion they think is fact.

 

LOL...dude you are paranoid, you belong anywhere you choose to belong...what are YOU adding to the conversation that is in anyway productive?

Answer one simple question...WHAT DO YOU HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH BY TELLING PEOPLE THAT THEIR PERCEPTION OF THE ENG/TRANSMISSION COMBINATION IN 3RD GEN TACOMAS IS LACKING IS WRONG?

Seriously, I want to hear your answer @boynoyce ...

 

And your choice is to be butthurt about people's opinions that are different than yours because your ego is so fragile that you feel the need
to run around the forums telling everyone how wrong they are...got it.

 

Lol, when did I ever tell anyone that their problems weren't real?

I don't have any issues with how the engine/ transmission works.

Isn't that valid?

This forum is read by many, and if only one point if view is expressed in a thread, how is that interesting or helpful to someone who wants to learn?

 

You didn't answer the question.

If you have no issues with how something works, why would you even enter a thread with a topic you believe to be fictional from your POV? As far as you are concerned the eng/trans is great. Why would you just not move on to a thread that you actually had something to contribute to? Going into a thread and simply telling people to stop complaining is not helping anybody or adding anything to the conversation. Why does your ego need to convince other people their perceptions are wrong?

 

WITAF...I am going back to avoiding interactions with irrational people.

Hope everything works out for you.

Later much.....

 

I understand you can't answer a completely rational question and instead strike out with name calling because
answering the question in a rational manner would require you to contradict yourself. I hope it all works out for you too, but I don't have high hopes for it.

 

Haha not butthurt at all. Just telling people that there is actually a real place they can go and talk about their problems. It's called a dealership or even talk to the manufacturer! Believe it or not there are some youngsters that think the internet can solve all their problems. Other youngsters think Toyota actually reads or cares about the dozens of internet forums. They don't. They care about the real people who complain to the dealer or to them. That is where TSB's and recalls come from. Not Tacomaworld.

 

I can't say much on the issue since I have a first Gen, but it seems pretty reasonable to me that someone should express their opinion in a thread whether they agree with the thread majority or not. Imagine this... someone starts a thread about how 6" body lifts are great for all purposes. If we go by your rules, the only people that reply are the ones that agree with the OP's opinion. Now imagine a new member joins and sees this thread and bases his decision off of that thread alone (it may seem unreasonable but it happens because not everyone puts in enough research). In the end, that new member would've learned much more if someone had chimed in with an opposing opinion. That example may be a bit extreme but it gets my point across that threads should contain more than one opinion.

 

If you need to make up an imaginary scenario to prove your point because you can't find an actual example of that scenario, that would seem to indicate your point is questionable at best. Go ahead and try and find me a thread on this site where people say "xyz is great for ALL purposes." I suspect you will have trouble finding one, because in my experience nobody does that.

In any case, that is not what this thread is. This thread is people who agree there is an eng/transmission performance issue discussing the possible reasons and therefore possible solutions, and other people coming in here and telling them
there is no problem at all and attempting to invalidate their experience and telling them to stop complaining. It is not simply a "different" opinion, it's an attempt to squash an opinion. If all they were saying is "I think the eng/trans combo is great" that would be fine, but they attempt to tell others they are wrong in their perceptions, which is what I take issue with. As has been pointed out, this is a Tacoma enthusiasts forum, so by definition it includes Tacoma enthusiasts. Presumably we all are here because we like Tacoma's (I know I do). The whole "I'm trying to help new members" argument is mostly a red herring argument for people who are simply trying to validate their attempt to squash dissent.

Having said all that, the fact that the Toyota has issued 2 TSBs for the eng/tran mgmt software, and the SSP, Sprint Booster and OVtune exist, so obviously their opinions are "wrong"...