3rd gen manual trans characteristics.

Just got my 18 manual last week. So far i'm not having any of the issues you guys have complained about. yeah the throttle is a bit laggier (is that a word haha) vs what I'd prefer but I'm getting used to it. I can putt around a parking lot in 2nd off idle no issues. no bucking. I can do that in 1st too.

Only thing I don't like is sometimes it's a bit notchy but that's likely due to it being new and will break in. I also do not like the pro shift knob. Too square.

I have noticed on some of my shifts (normal 2-3k shifting) that I will blip the throttle just a bit before letting out the clutch to be smooth. The rpm's drop pretty quick at those shift points and are usually below where they need to be for the next gear so a quick blip solves that.

Been driving a manual since I could drive, everything from mustangs, evo's, wrx's, etc. Is the tacoma's perfect? No, but it's not bad.

If i can't get used to the throttle, I may get a sprint booster.

 

Haha I would never do this. Mine very audibly does not like 2nd at anything less than 9mph (unless slipping the clutch). Either way don't see the point, 1st works great for me at those speeds.

 

Mine is similar on the stock toon.

 

if that's the case then i retract what i said... i thought that pcmflash.exe was the only way for the layperson to get that version info.

 

I only made the video because the guy I quoted seemed to be insinuating that I was talking out of my ass about something I do every day. I just find 2nd easier for me when doing parking lot stuff. Probably a carry over from motorcycles. YMMV

 

Mine is fine in 2nd at low speeds too. I've taken off from 2nd many times and, like you said, it will idle in 2nd at 5 mph no problem and you can accelerate (slowly) from there in 2nd too.

 

Interesting... Either there is a LOT of variability in the way these trucks drive/drivers' tastes and expectations or Toyota did fix a few things along the way.

My early production '16 acted similarly to the OP's truck. Throttle lag has always been my biggest complaint.

 

Can you let me know what steps to use to get the ECU version? I'm pretty certain that I am 4B12, but it would be interesting to verify it. I have not seen this info pop up on Carista, but I only used it a couple times.

 

I think it's the expectation of the driver. For example, I know that below 2K rpm there is not much torque, so I don't expect it. If I need to accelerate fast, I let the rpms build way up there before I shift. Conversely, If I am just poking along in traffic and need to accelerate, I might shift at a low rpm because I really don't need much torque.

 

Gimme a few minutes and I'll try it out. I use OBD Fusion BTW..

 

So all I had to do after opening Fusion was go into diagnostic mode, wait for the software to read all the info from the truck sequentially (there are a number of sub-catagories), and once done select "vehicle information" mode $09.

Here it is after that final step:



Edit: Sorry for the goofy iphone menu covering most of the image, my home button is physically pooched so I have to use a software work-around lol. Screenshot is power and home button at the same time.. sigh.

 

Awesome. I'll give that a try.

I bet that will help a lot of folks thinking about OVT?

 

excellent. thanks for this.

THIS NEEDS TO GO IN THE OP @OVTune

 

Agreed.

The more posts I read stating Taco owners are fine the way the M/T drives, well, I guess it is personal preference. The fact that I couldn't stand the way the OEM calibration drove doesn't mean you're unhappy. We've all seen meaningless arguments on this topic, and ppl on both sides trying to convince the other they're wrong. Actually, they're both right when you think about it.

My personal experience driving manuals has led me to expect decent throttle control in all situations. To me, this means that it has to react quickly and in a linear fashion - ALL THE TIME. It didn't even come close with the stock calibration on my truck, so much so that I found myself having to "wake up" the throttle ahead of time to get the desired results. Starting off on a steep incline was the worst - sometimes the engine would not be at the proper RPM (too low) when I had the clutch at the grab point ans had already tipped in, and then when I tried to compensate the next time I'd suddenly get too much torque and end up slipping too much or chirping the tires. Please don't say I was just doing it wrong - I've owned/driven plenty of manuals in 35 years on the road, and none were this difficult to master in that situation. Anyway, that's just me and my truck - everyone is different.

 

I guess so, but in reality isn't it just early production '16 M/Ts with 04B10 that ppl are worried about?

I'm sincerely hoping that 1.03B release will put the 04B10 issues to rest for good.

 

This will probably never be the case again as more and more systems go to throttle by wire, unfortunately

 

I agree. There's nothing as good as the cable.

I will say though, that OVtune on my truck as made throttle response (stopped, clutch in) much better than stock. Unfortunately, mine has re-learned some bad habits over time - some lag has crept back in while driving (ie rev match downshifts). You read that right - throttle response is different when you are stopped/clutch in as compared to driving and depressing the clutch.

 

For me, I think the answer is that it depends. Port injected with electronic throttles used to make me angry. Only one or two of those cars / trucks ever felt close to correct. One of the worst was the 4.7l Tundra that I borrowed from a friend. It was a literal rubber band that I couldn't drive smoothly no matter how I tried. Thankfully, it was just a short trip. I was genuinely impressed with the ETB on a friend's Tuono V4. I actually didn't believe him that it was an ETB and had to look it up. I have reused to buy any bike with one though. Reliable throttle inputs are just to critical there.

With all that, I have had no real complaints with any DI motor that I've tried. The throttle calibration in all modes of our DiT Forester is just stellar (I almost wish that Toyo would let Subaru loose on the Taco). There are a couple odd issues with my Taco, but nothing that makes me angry. I might have gotten lucky with mine or it might just be that way since it is a later build, but . . .

 

The Italians seem to do throttle by wire ok on bikes. My ducati's system is reasonably good.

 

I haven't ridden any Ducs with ETBs, but my ST4 EFI is sooooo dead simple. Great MPGs and power for what it is and was easy to mod.

There were a lot of issues posted on the early MTS 1200s. It looks like they figured that out on the second gens.

I am really looking forward to not doing a major service twice a year. Once the ST gives up the ghost, I think it is VFR800 time. I just wanna ride.