New England B.S. Thread

@Noelie84 What did you pay for your truck and what was MSRP on it again? It's a 302a XLT 2.7, right?

Finally saw a unicorn one pop up that's nearly identical to what I'd build out and realized I don't really need a 3.5. Want to figure out if the number I want makes any sense at all before I even bother seeing it, because if it doesn't I'll wait a while longer.

 

Mine's the 302A, yes. It has a few extras added on as well, (FX4 offroad package, etc) so the MSRP was $43K and some change. It was already marked down (through various sales and manufacturer discounts) to $37k, and after much haggling I talked them down to $32.5

 

lmao *Amelia

 

Okay, this is similar then. It has Sport Appearance, FX4, Tow, Brake Controller, 36 Gal Tank, and 20" wheels. MSRP is $49. I was hoping to end up with it for $39-40 which actually seems realistic given you got that much off a truck with a lower MSRP.

My concern it it says it is the lead foot color but isn't the special edition. Ford wouldn't let me build one like that, so I'm wondering if that's reality. I don't like the special edition weird graphic on the side, so I'm hoping it really is a plain old sport.

 

The 36 gallon tank is nice, but don't ever let it get below 1/2 before you fill up, lol. I put 19 gallons in mine this morning and it set me back $50.

 

I think it'd be great on a long highway drive. I could potentially get 800 miles out of a tank before I'm really low.

It's a very American thought...we don't really need better gas mileage, just bigger tanks!

 

True, but I couldn't make it 800 miles without needing a break, lol. I have a hard enough time sitting still long enough to run my standard-sized tank down to 1/4 or so, so I've got an excuse to pull over and stretch my legs.

 

If Maine had common law, there'd be a lot more family 'vines' vs trees :snicker:

Get the 3.5! Noel, cover your ears. I am still very hesitant about the 2.7 for the simple reason of power density. Lots of large equipment companies recongize this, as did Carroll Shelby. A small engine making a lot of power is more likely to have issues vs. a big engine barely being worked. I'd go for the 3.5 EB because the fuel economy will be similar, any of the engines have plenty of power but why not go for the brute?

The 36 gallon tank is awesome when towing. When you're only getting 10 MPG, it's nice to still have some decent range.

 

I was originally set on the 3.5, but I hear the 2.7 actually feels better in daily driving with no load which is 98% of the time for me. And the extra couple MPG is nice for my 50 mile commute. I acknowledge I don't really need to tow more than the 7600 lbs that 2.7 is rated for. I guess it comes down to how much of a price difference there is. I saw a 3.5 I like, but it had a lot of options I didn't care about which drove the price up. Hard to find one of these with 302a, tow, fx4, sport but not much else. Also tons of crews but not many extended cabs.

I was originally going to order one for spring, but some of these are close enough where I don't know if I want to go through the trouble or the additional haggling that would probably ensue.

 

Ford 5.4: A big, underworked engine that didn't develop much power but still had lots of problems.

On the other hand, diesels develop huge numbers for their size, are turbocharged, and go hundreds of thousands of miles without rebuilds.

Power density doesn't scare me that much, especially with how much research and effort the Ecoboost engines get. Also, they're in everything, not just F150's, so it's not like they're unproven.

 

Just get the 6.8l v10. Bigger is better!

 

I didn't say my opinions were well founded

Diesels are a different animal but can still be compared the same way if you're comparing between diesels. For what I was talking about, take the 2.7 EB vs. the 5.0. Half the engine but generally producing about the same power on the same type of fuel. If you work the snot out of both, forcing them to make full power all the time, I would put money on the smaller engine puking out before the larger engine. With all the power the EB puts out and as reliable as that engine seems to be, there's a reason it hasn't made it to the Superduty platform even though on paper it should put the 6.2 under.

Again, all opinion.

 

The biggest reason the EB hasn't made it into the Super Duty I think is because you can't put a plow on an Ecoboost (or at least you're not supposed to) because it affects the air flow for the motor (specifically for the intercooler).

 

I think they are having overheating issues with heavy towing also. When you keep those turbos fully spooled for long durations, there seem to be quite a few cases of them overheating.

On a similar note though, the 5.0 hasn't made it to the Superduty either and it's rated damn near the same as the 3.5 EB and can take a plow. All of the HD trucks just seem to be big, relatively detuned V8s.

 

I know EB F-150s have the license plate offset to the side so the intercooler gets air. But I would think a plow wasn't close enough to affect that, unless you're doing some extended highway driving.

 

Yeah, I think that the one with the highest output is the Ram 6.4 Hemi, and that's only like 410/430 hp/tq. I think the Ford 6.2 is 390/430 and the GM twins are stuck at a measly 360/380.

I get a LOT more heat out of the vents on the '84 when I'm driving around with the plow on the front, even if I'm not on the highway or actively plowing. Considering the amount of heat the intercooler has to shed, I wouldn't be surprised if even losing 40%-50% of its airflow would be enough to cause problems.

 

@Noelie84 I think one of the big reasons Ford doesn't recommend plowing with ANY of the F150s is the electric power steering. I thought I remembered seeing that somewhere. I'll check my owner's manual later.

 

There's that as well, but that's only on the newer ones. Even the pre-EPAS F150's with the Ecoboost couldn't have a plow hung on the chin without voiding the warranty, I think.

 

Did any of the Ecoboost generation F150's not have electric power steering? I thought they all had electric steering in the F150 My 2013 does and I'm pretty sure that wasn't new from 2011 to 2013.

 

I don't know, I thought they were using a new system starting in 2015.