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Pulling my hair out over a charging issue on a 97 tacoma

Discussion in '1st Gen. Tacomas (1995-2004)' started by anticlimatic, Jan 26, 2018.

  1. Jan 26, 2018 at 3:41 PM
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    anticlimatic

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    One gets what one pays for.
     
  2. Jan 26, 2018 at 3:45 PM
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    Check around your area. Where I lived and worked at the time there was a place called George's Gibsonia Alternator. His prices were amazingly reasonable and he could rebuild/repair anything electrical. While working for advance and the zone I used to send customers there often. He would buy component and rebuild parts from us, but save the customer time and headaches. He even rebuilt at least 4 starters and 3 alternators for me, far cheaper than a remanufactured one would have been even with my discount.
     
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  3. Jan 26, 2018 at 4:16 PM
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    I had a shop that pulled and overhauled an alt on a 300zxt; the labor was not trivial for just the R&R. Their out the door cost was under what a reman unit from a big box parts house would have been, and I'd have still had to do the work.

    No regrets here!
     
  4. Jan 26, 2018 at 5:21 PM
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    That's the connection for the regulator. The hot wire that runs directly to the positive stud on the battery is connected to the alternator with a nut on a small stud.

    If the voltage regulator is fried then it will charge at higher rpm sometimes but not at idle. I had that issue a few moths back.

    The issue might not be with the alternator, but with the regulator pigtail and/or wiring.

    If you have a volt meter you can check it really easily to see if the alternator is putting out what it should. As long as you're comfortable with sticking your hands in there with the motor running that is
     
  5. Jan 26, 2018 at 6:03 PM
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    I had a volt meter but it melted when I tested the voltage between the two battery poles while the engine was running. I have one more but I'm afraid of the same thing happening. I'm guessing it was a fluke with my meter, they should usually be fine with car batteries I assume? Unless you need a special one.
     
  6. Jan 26, 2018 at 6:24 PM
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    Are you joking,shitting or lying about that statement? If serious. What melted?
     
  7. Jan 26, 2018 at 6:51 PM
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    Nah. I was holding the black on black, and the red on red, looking down at the volt meter start to climb and my hands felt really warm all of a sudden. I looked down and the wires were sticky and smoking. Smoke was also coming out of the other ports on the meter. I tossed it in a snowbank.
     
  8. Jan 26, 2018 at 7:18 PM
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    Word. Well I wouldn't spend too much of my time on the internet trying to diagnose this issue. The vehicle should be left un-driven in a mechanics hands til the issues' addressed.
     
  9. Jan 26, 2018 at 7:36 PM
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    Ya... That shouldn't happen...

    Make sure your meter is on 20v dc. Positive probe goes to the terminal on the alternator. Negative goes to ground or the negative post on the battery. The reading should be about 14v.

    Try revving the motor to about 2000rpm if it's lower than 13v. If it stays low or is too high at idle then it's the regulator, pigtail, or wiring.

    This is assuming your belt is tensioner properly and not slipping
     
  10. Jan 26, 2018 at 7:49 PM
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    ????
    With the leads in the right connections and the settings correct on the dial that would NEVER happen...
    Even if you had it hooked up wrong, the internal circuitry is protected. Is your voltmeter made of forks and cheese?
     
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  11. Jan 26, 2018 at 8:44 PM
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    Yeah I didn't think it was going to melt on me, but I most likely had it hooked up wrong. I wasn't thinking. After I threw it in the snowbank it sat there reading 86 volts and slowly ticked down from there. Strange incident. *shrug*
     
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  13. Jan 26, 2018 at 11:08 PM
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    Do any of the wires get hot while it's running?
    If you take the ground cable loose from the truck with the truck off, no lights on, no radio, not even interior lights. Does the cable have a make a small electrical arc? If your battery light comes on shut the truck off and see if it the battery cable arcs.
     
  14. Jan 26, 2018 at 11:09 PM
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    Try taking the plug out of the back of the alternator and see if it has crap in it.
     
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  15. Jan 27, 2018 at 6:58 AM
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    There is an arc (I think) putting it back on, but not pulling it off. Any time I plug my battery back in the POS aftermarket security system shrieks in my ear, so it's always kind of a do-it-quick, brace-for-impact kind of situation. But I can hear it pop/spark a bit whenever I reattach. There is no arc when I pull it off. I'll check again carefully.

    That plug in the back of the alt had some old dielectric grease on it, but was fine other than that. I got in there with a little file and some contact cleaner when I had the old one out just for good measure.



    Right now I have an additional jumper on top of the existing cables running from the alt to the battery. I want to try disconnecting the old wire from the alternator, but I'm not sure if that wire splits off and powers the starter and rest of the vehicle, or if it runs straight to the battery. I know theres a ground cable wrapped up in that wire harness and I wonder if the old line from the alternator periodically (most of the time) shorts into it somehow.

    The voltmeter I threw in the snowbank survived and seems to still work. I had it running on the non-fused terminals for more than the recommended 10 seconds, that's why it overloaded.
     
  16. Jan 27, 2018 at 7:18 AM
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    I'm still having an issue with the smoking VOM. You can smoke a VOM if you take a voltage reading while its set for resistance/Ohms, that will blow the VOM fuse, not cause it to fry. Regardless the alternator should be putting out ~14 volts.
     
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  17. Jan 27, 2018 at 8:56 AM
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  18. Jan 27, 2018 at 11:10 AM
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    He might have a $3 multi meter.
     
  19. Jan 27, 2018 at 11:12 AM
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    If you have an arc going back on it means something is drawing power, and a circuit is closed, no arc means everything that supposed to be is open. If your alarm goes off it's probably that causing it to arc.
     
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