2018 Tacoma’s Are “No Touch” Vehicles?

Meh, I’m not a believer in tech replacing human instinct. I have another Toyota vehicle with the safety sense system and it is absolutely terrible. It is interruptive and intrusive and counters against actual defensive driving techniques when the situation warrants it to intervene. The lane departure feature has nearly caused accidents because it wants to correct the vehicle back into the lane when the safe option is to move to the shoulder. I’ve brought this to Toyota’s attention and I get shrugs from them. I get that you work in the automation industry and if you truly listen to the people that use the automation daily in real life scenarios that engineers could never possibly dream up, you would understand where I am coming from. In 2007 I was a test pilot for Bombardier conducting tests on their HUD and synthetic vision systems and I can’t count how many times the engineers told me the situations myself and other pilots were asking them to replicate in the simulators was impossible and would never happen. Air France lost an aircraft a few years ago over the Atlantic Ocean due to the automation not being able to sort out the data it was being fed by the conditions the sensors were sensing ultimately causing the aircraft to stall and dive 35000 feet into the ocean. Please tell me where any car or truck based A.I. is more advanced than that on an aircraft. I’ll answer for you, it’s not. The Airbus that’s AF lost simply needed to advance throttle and pitch forward to regain airspeed and the aircraft’s autopilot system couldn’t get it right.

 

Engineers are never wrong until whatever they designed breaks or fails and lives are lost.

 

I think we're conflating complex multi-million dollar systems, with $98 off the shelf sensors. The prior is managing, well, something incredibly complex. The latter is simply tracking the vehicle ahead of you and has its foot hovering the brakes in case it senses an imminent collision. I get that complex systems can screw up and 'not understand' what needs to happen. The airline industry is fraught with complexity and danger. There are so many variables going on at once that human intuition cannot be discounted.

The TSS we're talking about here, is dirt dumb by design. Imminent collision? Engage brakes. It's that simple. I've tried the adaptive cruise. I sort of like it.... and sort of don't. In my morning commute I find it keeps a bit too much distance between myself and the car ahead. This only results in there being enough of a gap that other cars continually slip into the space. Also, it'll brake when I can tell that based on the row of taillights ahead, it's about to clear up some. So, it brakes more often than necessary, resulting in more gas usage and a less smooth ride. But.... I'm not using it in its optimal arena. It's best when highway traveling and I haven't tried that yet.

Lane keep assist? Mixed bag on that one. My wife's buzzes her wheel at her. Mine chirps. Sometimes it chirps incorrectly, as in when driving in construction zones with lane detours. It's annoying, but I'm committed to leaving it on for the first 6 months. Back to the emergency braking: I for one am glad I have it. I don't rely on it, hope I forget it's there, and hope it never has to engage. I have had it alert on me once so far. No brakes, but it did indicate traffic backing up in front of me. A collision wasn't imminent, but I did have to ride the brakes a bit. It picked up on the traffic about the same time I did, but it took me another 0.5s to get on the brakes.

 

I just don’t trust a computer. My situational awareness has worked for 25 years and it’ll continue to work going forward. People in general become so dependent on technology to make their lives easier and they become complacent and lazy. Computers have no business driving a car.

 

We can agree to disagree, and life will still be good. I trust that your skills will continue to keep you out of trouble. I'll trust that mine will do the same, but don't mind that I have a backup system that may save my arse if I get it in a bind.

 

well, what do you do when you have multiple hydraulic failures, cabin pressure failure and the ILS fails on final when you are IFR....thats not something you can think ahead for all the time....not saying it would happen, but it could....situational awareness is great but when multiple things happen it helps to have instruments or devices to warn you......i too have thousands of military flight hours in multiengine jets in less than friendly environments and sometimes things just go wrong....thats why we prioritize the problem and take the most important problem first......fly the fucking aircraft......for people driving our trucks, they should keep their head out of their ass and eyes in the road..... the safety installed items are aimed to help keep people from drifting out of a lane....... they are not a stop gap for stupidity of not paying attention....but it helps them know they need to take come kind of corrective action...just like the altitude warning when you bust through a published altitude on approach when you are pre-occupied with that hydraulic failure on final in IFR conditions.....i am not arguing with you, just saying flying is a little more involved than driving......BUT.....people should be more aware of their environment and not screw around in the cockpit of their truck.....but a safety device might help them when they deviate from course when reaching down for the french fry they dropped.....

 

agreed 100%...complacency is a killer......thats why i always used a checklist for every aircraft is used, even though i have thousands of hours in 3 different types

 

I agree, however, vehicles also do not require a second crewmember.

The point I was getting at is that people place way too much emphasis on vehicle automation.

 

yes, but neither do some aircraft

 

Yeah, but do we really consider any Citation a real aircraft? Lol.

 

LMFAO......the best a/c i ever flew was A6F and OV-10.....above 5k the OV-10 give me nose bleeds...hahahaha

 

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People not wearing a seat belt are 30 times more likely to be ejected from a vehicle during a crash. More than 3 out of 4 people who are ejected during a fatal crash die from their injuries. Seat belts save thousands of lives each year, and increasing use would save thousands more.

 

Lol, I was a helicopter guy in the Navy. Flew C56X, CRJs, CL604, G5 classic and G550, FA2000, FA50s, and the F900EX is my current platform. The Excel was a complete pig, the G550 is just an amazing aircraft. 12 hours at .85 all day long on 35,000 pounds of fuel. Just recently did Capetown to Warsaw non-stop. Gets awful lonely over central Africa after dark.

 

well, we won't blame you for being in the Navy....i was always looking for a ride somewhere.......just got a bigger taxi that what I was looking for

Oh, Marine Colonel here

 

I wasn’t a Naval Officer, I was a rescue swimmer when I was in.

 

Ever have an RA? Kind of the same thing in these trucks, no? I kid though, I'm in the same boat where I feel all this safety tech will lead to complacency and reliance.

 

My TSS works perfect on my 2018 TRD Sport after installing a 3” leveling kit and 285s. Have absolutely zero issues with it. I also installed a faux TRD Pro grille imported from China that came perfectly made to place the TSS chip/sensor. I disconnected and reconnected the TSS cable in the process and still no issues, works like the 1st day I left the lot.

 

Get RA’s every time I repo from FLL to MIA

 

Glad you said something about your grille. I was wondering if I could change the grille out and keep the tss. Mine is also on a 3" level

 

Is that a 18 pro grille tho with the open spot under the letters? I wonder if I could get a different grile and maybe find a way to attach it and make it work.