MT owners: any problems going in to reverse when you meant to go in 1st?

Getting to speed going up a Sandy hill, in 4LO because they geared these trucks from the factory so terribly. thats why i used 4LO shitfing into a higher gear, and yes, you can do that, I did and it worked. Didn't have time to air down my tires, so I made use of 4LO and the gears I have.

Clearly you don't understand, and are making assumptions on why someone mistakes going into reverse.... well, your wrong.

Plenty of times I'll be having to make a u turn on a city street, and doing the process of turning the wheel, stopping before I hit the curb, pull it out of 1st, then put it into reverse real quick, then back into 1st again real quick. Those quick reactions on the gear box, make it real easy to slip past that detent.

Trust me, I've driven manuals only since I've been able to drive (15yrs), and have never had this issue, except with this transmission design.

 

Again, if I put the shifter in the wrong place, it's my fault. Not the truck's fault. It didn't move the stick for me, I did.

 

Pull up slightly? Not in my truck.

 

Maybe don't make a U-turn where it is unsafe to do so ie where the road isn't wide enough to accommodate the turning radius of the truck. Maybe don't be lazy and plan your route better so you don't have to make U-turns.

And keep driving in 4LO in 3rd. Let me know how long the transfer case lasts.


Stop giving us millennials a bad name with your "not my fault" attitude.

 

Reverse lockout is probably one of those things that got cut from/never made it into the design because of bean counting rather than poor design. I'd like to have it, but it's not so much of an issue that it makes me hate my M/T. What I don't understand though, is ppl in this thread actually bashing each other over it. Really? FFS lol

What I DO think is questionable design by Toyota is the choice of ratios in this gearbox:

1. What egghead thought that a reverse ratio HIGHER than 1st was a good idea? Ever back up with a trailer before? Couldn't have been a mechanical engineer that made that choice, they're too smart right?

2. The 1-2 "gap". With the torque curve of the 2GR, these two are quite widely spaced. Closer ratios would have been better in this application;

3. 5th and 6th - Um, there's not really much difference in the two, so why not make 6th a bit higher for highway cruising. I mean, 2000rpm at 60MPH? I like the way it drives in 6th, but we probably could have seen a bit better mpg with a higher ratio. M/T highway MPG is worse than the A/T remember..

Anyway, just my shade-tree mechanic opinion.

 

Really? Interesting

 

Not in mine either..

 

I'm agreeing with this guy. i mean, seriously? it's a manual...

man·u·al
ˈmanyə(wə)l/
adjective

1. 1.
   of or done with the hands.
   "manual dexterity"
   synonyms: done with one's hands, by hand, laboring, physical, blue-collar
   "manual work"

now who else blames the machine when your hands control it?

 

Yes 6th gear sucks for cruising but GREAT for towing!

 

I've made this mistake a couple times early on, but it was only because I left it in reverse when I shut the truck off. Reverse felt like 1st, so I went to pull out, only didn't. No big deal, lesson learned. Now, I am sure to shut it down in 1st. Easy.

 

Did nobody drive their truck before they bought it? Really?
One more time: If my truck gets into the wrong gear, it is not the truck's fault. It is my (me, Greg) fault. There are clear positions for each gear. The truck does not determine where I put the shifter. I do. If I put it in the wrong place IT IS MY FAULT! Could it have been designed different? Sure. Is it? Nope. Could it have been geared different? Sure. Is it? Nope.

 

No, just realistic. I know what I bought. I know I can't change it by whining on an internet forum either. If I want to change it, I will buy something else. I also take responsibility for my own actions instead of blaming everyone and everything around me for my own ineptitude. That includes putting the shifter in the wrong gear.

 

So? Saabs had a lift collar and volvos didn't, just a slightly heavier detent spring like the Taco. Our Geo Metro had nothing.

It's a manual. I'm happy.

If it were a utopia where I could have whatever I wanted, I would want it to be gated.

 

you could make that shit way harder to drive and i'd still buy it. cus MT.

 

Come on now. Toyota made the design choice to have only slight resistance as the gate to reverse, rather than an explicit action from the user. Blaming difficulty with that design on the users is just plain silly, and a good product team would never take that stance. Things get poorly designed, or at the very least always have room for usability improvement.

User experience design is a real thing, its goal is to find areas of product experience where users struggle the most, and improve upon them.

This is how innovation happens, and how we've gotten to where we are today with good usable technology.

 

I've done it a few times in my Second Gen. Other cars that I've had with reverse up and to the right (VW and a Corvette) have better lock-out designs.

 

I've never had a problem confusing 1st and reverse, the pressure on the shifter would be a dead give away for me.... along with the warning buzzer and rear view camera coming on.

The one issue I do have is I occasionally have to check to make sure I'm in 6th and not in 4th... every other MT car I've had I could tell by the tone of the engine or simply reaching over and touching the shifter if I was in 6th, but for some reason even after 20k miles I still sometimes question if I'm in 6th or not. It doesnt help that I skip gears often, sometimes going 1-2-4-6 like its second nature.

 

One hundred people have no problem. One person does. Is it the design or the user?

 

I find very little resistance when going into reverse so I too will occasionally hit reverse instead of first. As a 62 year old rocker my hearing is not very good and so the warning buzzer is barely noticeable. I usually prefer to drive looking out the windshield (guess I'm just different) so don't notice the backup camera, so yes, it is way to easy to accidently catch reverse instead of first.

Is it still my fault...no duh! I'm still the guy driving it, but Toyota could have certainly designed it differently.

The thing that scares me the most is the thought of getting into a really tight spot off-road and with the adrenalin pumping hit reverse accidentally and have a major vehicular trauma.

 

End-user preferences - the reoccurring nightmare of all product designers...

And some people wonder why the MT is purchased by 3% of the truck-buying population?