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Philly tasered 17year old

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by dman597, May 4, 2010.

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To Taser or not too taser.

Poll closed Aug 2, 2010.
  1. He should have gotten tasered

    259 vote(s)
    83.0%
  2. He should not have gotten tasered

    53 vote(s)
    17.0%
  1. May 5, 2010 at 4:11 AM
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    To all of this..........exactly!

    to this................if people are concerned about consequences then they don't put themselves in position to receive them. If they have no concern for consequences of their actions then they deserve what they get for not thinking shit through beforehand. People who have no concern for their actions and how it might affect others should be their own victims, like in this case. He victimized himself, he put himself in that position willingly. He is now the court jester comic for us all to laugh at because he got what he deserved. What if the cop had heart problems and fell out dead from chasing the kid? Would the kid deserve accessory to manslaughter or some such charges? You just gotta think about shit ahead of time. Kid made a choice, not a good one and got what he got. If he makes similar bad choices in different places he could end up dead instead, he lucked out this time.
     
  2. May 5, 2010 at 4:17 AM
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    It's obvious to me that you don't understand JUOF procedures. If someone was in danger of harm- a taser is NOT the appropriate option. If the guy had a knife and was threatening people- a gun is the appropriate option. If he was punching or kicking someone a baton or a gun is an appropriate option.

    This kid was an "Active Resistor" which is the second most dangerous type of person to approach because they can become and Active Aggressor VERY quickly in an already dynamic situation. As an LE officer- I don't want to get close to or go hands on a person until I'm VERY sure I have the upper hand and the most complete control of the situation I can.

    Taser was a good call.

    Fact is- you are making up "facts." Tasers are NOT lethal-Employ a taser on the majority of the human race-It'll hurt like a bitch and a half for 5 seconds- And then it goes away. Everyone that I'm aware of who has died in a taser incident had underlying health or drug use issues (Like the 280 pound guy on PCP who got batons, pepper spray, and 5 jolts with a taser before having a drug/adrenaline induced heart attack-You ever seen someone on PCP or it's derivatives??). I'd love to see your study PROVING that tasers "at random."
     
  3. May 5, 2010 at 4:20 AM
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  4. May 5, 2010 at 4:25 AM
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    What if he had a heart defect? What if he had brittle bone disease? Tackling him (or tripping him, as others have suggested) might have broken 20 bones. I would have no more sympathy if that happened. He shouldn't have been on the field in the first place. It's not the responsibility of the cops chasing him to check his medical record before taking actions to remove his dumb ass from the field.

    The taser has killed people, but I bet if you were able to find statistics, you'd find that the VAST majority of cases in which it has been used have proven it to be non-lethal. A properly placed rubber bullet or sand bag blast is probably lethal, too, but those are still used in crowd control b/c they are preferred to gunfire.

    My cousin was a reporter for her college paper and she allowed herself to get tased in order to write a story about the new devices being carried by the school's security/police. She said it hurt like hell, and comletely incapacitated her, but she was fine afterwards. Tasers aren't like guns... nobody allows themselves to get shot to write a story.

    Keep applauding the passifists who think this kid is a victim. I applaud the officers who tased this little shit. I hope it makes the next guy think twice, and I hope it makes somebody who intends to hurt a player, official, or other bystander think twice.

    What would the story be today if a person ran out onto the field and tackled a player and broke his arm? "Where was security?" or "Why didn't they do something to stop him?" It's easy to look at the video and see that the kid was harmless, b/c we already know the outcome. Those guys, in the moment, had NO IDEA what that kid was going to do, or where he was going to go. You don't even need a weapon to be dangerous. They used a taser that didn't harm him and brought him down. Let it be a warning to the next guy that the field isn't a place to screw around.
     
  5. May 5, 2010 at 4:46 AM
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    Oops sorry for missing the sarcasm as I use quite abit of that myself. But realistically if you think about it how much national air time did he cost the networks. I think his family should pay for that 2-5 minutes. I'm sure it wouldn't cost more than a quarter of a million (now that's sarcasm...LOL) dollars. As I'm older I guess I think what it would be like for me at age 58 to chase a 17 year old around on the ball field. I think about all the bad things that could happen medically even if I am physically fit.

    I believe the kid was wrong and he got what he deserves. Now his family needs to pay....somebody needs to supervise that young'un he gives all the 17 year olds a bad name.
     
  6. May 5, 2010 at 5:54 AM
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  7. May 5, 2010 at 6:08 AM
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    Why don't they just taser us all when we go to watch a game and then ask us what our intension's were afterwards???
     
  8. May 5, 2010 at 6:26 AM
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  9. May 5, 2010 at 6:38 AM
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    prove it






    this
     
  10. May 5, 2010 at 6:39 AM
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    Others may claim to have won the argument in this thread, but you, sir, are clearly the winner.
     
  11. May 5, 2010 at 6:54 AM
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    The problem with this country is there is no such thing as personal responsibility. When the kid decided to break the LAW and disobey orders (to stop) by law enforcement officials (police) he decided to take the risk. Key words there is HE DECIDED! No one knew the kids intent. The only thing the police knew was there was a man breaking the law and disobeying police orders and they had to get the situation under control without harm to INNOCENT bystanders. This is exactly what the taster accomplished.
     
  12. May 5, 2010 at 7:22 AM
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    Hell yeah he should have gotten tassed that was funny! I'm sick of people doing things and expecting not to have any consequences people should be held responsible for there actions and this punk kid got what he had coming for jumping on the field.
     
  14. May 5, 2010 at 8:27 AM
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    in the first one...it describes Tasers as being called "non-lethal" when in reality they are "less-lethal" meaning there is SOME potential for death BUT it also goes on to discuss the deaths they found were as a result of abuse such as multiple shots or extended times past the 5 second interval thats supposed to be used

    a baton can be a lethal weapon when abused

    when a taser is deployed as designed by Taser International...deaths will be a result of something else if it occurs...such as falling or excited delirium as i posted earlier

    these cases have been found in court to not be the result of tasing in and of itself and Taser International has been found not liable in HUNDREDS of court cases that involved deaths


    the second link...again...misuse and the death was not DIRECTLY caused by the Taser




    misuse and abuse can absolutely cause death...however Tasers are not considered "non-lethal" as the media likes to portray...they are "less-lethal" and it gives officers another avenue that MAY potentially save a life or prevent further injury

    in this case in Philly, you have a very potentially dangerous situation with a obviously physically healthy young adult...taser use should be completely justified

    other stories in the links posted not so much


    a lot of people are completely against tasers in general but when used PROPERLY they are a much safer alternative to going hands on or having to escalate the use of force to lethal force
     
  15. May 5, 2010 at 8:36 AM
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    From the first story:

    They start out by saying a USA Today study reveals that 334 people have died from tasers b/w 2001 and 2008. A little shocking, I suppose. (I wish they had a number of people tased. If that number were 1,000, then the kill rate would be almost a third, which would be insane... if it were 100,000, it would be closer to 0.34%, which is much less shocking.)

    The story goes on to say
    So it seems that in at least 'many' cases, the culprit wasn't so much the taser, but the abuse of the taser by using it repeatedly on the same person.

    The story concludes by saying that 'most of the 334 deaths' can be attributed to factors like drug intoxication. The medical examiners can only point to 50 of the 334 that are actually due to the tasers. So from the 'shocking' figure in the top of the story, only 14% (50/334) are actually due to tasers... AND, as the story told us, many of those weren't the taser so much as the abuse of the taser.

    If that story is what you have as your proof, I think you need to keep looking.
     
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    That video was awesome. Thanks for sharing.

    IMO, that cop had a legit reason to shoot the guy, and showed great restraint in using the taser instead. I bet there are those that'll post that it shouldn't have been used even in that case, though.
     
  19. May 5, 2010 at 8:48 AM
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    yeah he mightve hit his head on the rocks or drowned if he fell in the water!

    he should been thrown a set of handcuffs and told to handcuff himself :rolleyes:
     
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    OMG wait for all of the peace love no war I hate every position of authority people on here to see it and say they should have talked it out over lunch on the rocks.

    Thats a good job by that cop to use the taser. The guy is lucky he was tased and that K9 didnt get him.
     

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