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How do you feel about everything going on with Illegal Immigration ?

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  1. May 7, 2010 at 1:01 PM
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    They would have been deported anyway once they were brought up on drug charges as ICE would be notified. Not a result of the AZ law but regular police work.
     
  2. May 7, 2010 at 1:03 PM
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    This was forwarded to me in an email, so take it for what its worth. It does raise some interesting points and has intrigued me enough to do a little more research for myself.

    From a friend in Arizona.


    Subject: Mexican Assassins inside the United States.

    If anyone of you are upset about the new law in Az. Then read why it went into effect. We are fighting for our lives here in AZ. Its not just on the border its in our cities, also. Please forward this to out of staters who may be against our law and don't understand the need for it. The situation in Arizona is terrible no matter what Janet Napolitano and Obama says. They just don't know. I applaud Jan Brewer for signing the bill she did on Friday. Maybe DC will wake up one day.

    This is what is happening on our border and we are not being made aware.

    As you know, one of the local ranchers was murdered in Douglas two weeks ago. His funeral is tomorrow. I received three messages similar to the one below from different officers within the Rangers and law enforcement.



    Yesterday afternoon I talked to another rancher near us who is a friend of ours and whose great grandfather started their ranch here in 1880. These are good people. He told me what really happened out at the Krentz ranch and what you won't read in the papers. The Border Patrol is afraid of starting a small war between civilians here and the drug cartels in Mexico.


    Bob Krentz was checking his water like he does every evening and came upon an illegal who was lying on the ground telling him he was sick. Bob called the Border Patrol and asked for a medical helicopter evac. As he turned to go back to his ATV he was shot in the side. The round came from down and angled up so they know the shooter was on the ground. Bob's firearm was in the ATV so he had no chance.

    Wounded, he called the Cochise County Sheriff and asked for help. Bleeding in the lungs he called his brother but the line was bad so he called his wife but again the line was bad. Several ranchers heard the radio call and drove to his location. Bob was dead by this time. The ranchers tracked the shooter 8 miles back towards Mexico and cornered him in a brushy draw. This was all at night. The Sheriff and Border Patrol arrived and told them not to go down and engage the murderer. They went around to the back side and if you can believe it the assassin managed to get by a BP helicopter and a Sheriff's posse and back to Mexico. So much for professional help when you need it.

    One week before the murder Bob and his brother Phil (who I shoot with) hauled a huge quantity of drugs off the ranch that they found in trucks. One week before that a rancher near Naco did the same thing. Two nights later gangs broke into his ranch house and beat him and his wife and told them that if they touched any drugs they found they would come back and kill them. The ranchers here deal with cut fences and haul drug deliveries off their ranches all the time. What ranchers think is that the drug cartels beat the one rancher and shot Bob because they wanted to send a message. Bob always gave food and water to illegals and so they think they sent the assassin to pose as an illegal who was hungry and thirsty knowing it would catch Bob off guard.

    What is going on down here is NOT being reported. You need to tell people how bad it is along the border. Texas is worse. Near El Paso it's in a state of war. 5000 people were killed in Ciudad Juarez last year and it's over 2000 so far this year. Gun sales down here are through the roof and I get emails from people wanting firearms training.

    Something has to be done but I don't hold out much hope. These gangs have groups in almost every city in the US. This is serious business. The Barrio Azteca and their sub gangs are like Mexican Corporations and organized extremely well. If this doesn't get dealt with down here you guys will deal with it on your streets.





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    This is unbeliveable pass it on



















    Now this is a travesty…..





    Montebello High School in California
    You will not see this heart-stopping photo on the front page of the NY Times, nor on the lead story of the major news networks. The protestors at Montebello High School took the American flag off the school's flag pole and hung it upside down while putting up the Mexican flag over it. (*See pictures below*)



































    I predict this stunt will be the nail in the coffin of any guest-worker/ amnesty plan on the table in Washington ... The image of the American flag subsumed to another and turned upside down on American soil is already spreading on Internet forums and via e-mail.

    Pass this along to every American citizen in your address books and to every representative in the state and federal government.. If you choose to remain uninvolved, do not be amazed when
    you no longer have a nation to call your own nor anything you have worked for left since it will be 'redistributed' to the activists while you are so peacefully staying out of the 'fray'. Check history, it is full of nations/empires that disappeared when its citizens no longer held their core beliefs and values. One person CAN make a difference....

    One plus one plus one plus one plus one plus one........ ..

    The battle for our secure borders and immigration laws that actually mean something, however, hasn't even begun.

    If this ticks YOU off....PASS IT ON!







    IF IT DOESN'T IT SHOULD!



















































































    --
    " The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."
    -- Cicero , 55 BC










     
  3. May 7, 2010 at 1:06 PM
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    well thats the thing, they dont have any illegals:eek:. jk lol
     
  4. May 7, 2010 at 1:09 PM
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    Joe Legal needs a better tax accountant
    Jose Illegal needs to be deported or....could be allowed to become legal with a condition to UPFRONT pay 5 years of taxes based on the 31,231.00.
     
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    I hate it! Let's line those guys up and march their asses right back across the border! Look at them trying to steal our services, get good jobs here, get out of that crazy place they come from! Damned Canadians!!








    Sounds stupid going north-bound, doesn't it? Bet that says something by itself.
     
  6. May 7, 2010 at 1:15 PM
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    I do. My rights should not be compromised at any cost, just like my right to bear arms shouldn't be compromised or "tweaked" or adjusted or modified in any way shape or form. Find some other way. Build a bigger fence, land mines, wolves, fire moat...anything just don't mess with my rights.
     
  7. May 7, 2010 at 1:20 PM
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    Your rights are not being infringed if you are inquired about your legal status during a normal stop.
    If a cop pulls me over for speeding and notices I have a concealed pistol, my rights are not being infringed if he inquires about my concealed weapons permit. Same thing.
     
  8. May 7, 2010 at 1:23 PM
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    No matter what they impose, someone will throw their hands up in the air and yell "discrimination"!

    they will find a way around a fence, and obviously they do.....
    fire moat with wolves on the mexico side and land mines under the fire pit and Snipers on our side. :D
     
  9. May 7, 2010 at 1:23 PM
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    Who cares, I have to take off my shoes to board a plane. They can be checked for citizenship when pulled over on an OUI charge.
     
  10. May 7, 2010 at 1:27 PM
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    its like going to a bar here, you have to be 21 to get in, they ask for ID at the door. They are not discriminating if they ask for your ID, you show it and go in, if you dont have it you dont get in! its that damn simple.

    I dont know why people are making a fuss about it? they just dont understand it?
    *scratches head*
     
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    I hope you didn't fill out your census because you just gave your racial information to the machine. Oh wait, you have to fill it out by law.

    The census was used in WWII to round up Japanese Americans and put them into camps.

    The French equivalent of the census was used by the Nazis to round up jews.

    If you want to fight a battle on discrimination rights to prevent the holocaust part 2 fight the census. :D
     
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    It seems to me that those against the new law are just opposed to having to show ID.
    They would rather allow illegals to have free run of our country than be inconvenienced.
     
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    If you are an illegal Mexican, you have to go ,If your an illegal Somalian, you have to go, if your an illegal Irishman YOU HAVE TO GO !! See a pattern here ? The only person that gets offended being asked to provide some legal ID is the person that has something to hide.. I'd rather talk about the high school kids that were given the choice of turning their American flag T shirts inside out or be suspended because it offended some hispanic students on that Cinco de Mayonaise holiday er some shit. That's a Mexican holiday & thats fine FOR MEXICO !! & thats where it should be celebrated. & (I don't even think they celebrate it down there) This country is becoming like France with its soft stand on any kind of sovereign guidelines, I don't think you can find a French National anymore but you can't even stick your arm out without hitting a Muslim ( & thats no knock on Islam ) It is what it is, So some Mexicans get offended by someone displaying the stars & strips in the country that bore it with Blood & sweat & hard work , got a message for ya " GET THE FUCK OVER YOURSELVES. " If your Hispanic & either here legally or you were born here don't be so Goddamned Butt hurt sensitive . Hey I'm sorry but if 98% of illegals are here from Mexico then guess what, it's probably mostly Mexicans that are going to get asked, but none of you have addressed the issue of probable cause or reasonable suspicion, neither of which equal racial profiling & if you feel that way thats YOUR problem, maybe it's YOU that has race issues, I could care fucking less if I was asked what race I am or from which country I was born in & this, assuming that I'm in another country when asked. If theres so much pride for Mexico then for Gods sake as a Proud Mexican citizen you & other proud citizens need to rise up & remove that corrupt marxist , la familia controlled government , drug cartel ridden , just like the colonies did to Mother England when they'd decided that they'd had it with Britians Bullshit. Like I've said, I have Mexicans on both sides of my family & love them because they are family & I respect them because they are here to be AMERICANS FIRST , as anyone who is here in this country from somewhere else should be !! What is so hard to understand about this ? No one is getting pulled over because they are Hispanic , they aren't new to Arizona , Calif. or any other state, ya'll just can't see the bigger picture, & leave the "race" card where it belongs, at the bottom of the deck !!

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    This is the discrimination happening. You think that would have happened to a white person?

    You need to take a look at how state taxes and federal taxes work. Not to mention statistics about how much illegal workers are actually being paid.

    Here's a little tidbit for you people yelling from the rooftops that "illegals are draining our resources!": They don't have access to those resrources because they don't have proper paperwork! An illegal can't get unemployment, they can't get medicaid or medicare. They can't get food stamps or welfare.

    Now, regarding schools, police, fire, and all other local services. Those are pulled out of state taxes. Unless there is some secret illegal membership card that exempts them from paying taxes at registers, they are paying taxes state and local services.

    Some of you people are out of minds insane if you think someone crossing the border is clearing $30K that easily with benefits on top!
     
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    Umm they actualy can get free medical. they go to a hospital for treatment and get treated... and who foots the bill? not them..
    and with the Obamacare they are not required to show proof of citizenship to get care..
     
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    yes..... lol no i dont agree with them coming over here illegally... i dont pay enough attention to say anything about the bill so no comment there.
     
  19. May 7, 2010 at 1:55 PM
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    Sorry, I thought we were talking about immigration laws in Arizona.
     
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