How do you feel about everything going on with Illegal Immigration ?

You are correct Kinetik and Kudos to you. That is your right. More power to you.

The argument can be made that LEO's (in fact many LEO's make this argument) LEO's can be more thorough if they can use an open warrant and just search your house or your car because of certain factors (profiles) that indicate you may be hiding something. Would this trigger your sense of the government over reaching? I believe it would.

Me this AZ law just chafes my stones. Again, I don't see how this law helps solve the problem. No one here has been able to show me how it directly helps us stop illegal immigration.

 

I agree, its a step towards adressing the issue, but whats needed is are more personnel, enforcement and physical barriers (wall) in place, along with readressing the ways in which non-legal residents are allowed to stay. I believe that if youre a non-legal resident, work and your family goes to school and such, you should be granted non-resident status, taxed and put into the pot just like the rest of us. Personally, I say secure the southern border, as in lock it down and remove the cartels. Thats my big beef. MY step-dad is an immigration agent here in town and you guys would be amazed that at what these guys have to jump through to even do their job.

 

I hear you. Our gratitude and prayers are with your step dad. We greatly appreciate his service.

 

That border patrol video was quite interesting. Quite obviously if the agents could have arrested the individual they would have. Their inconsistent statements, circular logic, and attempts to confuse him into giving false information to a federal agent (which would have been a crime) having not worked they let him go because they "had better things to do?"

Why are you detaining me?
Suspicion of illegal activity.
What illegal activity?
Interfering with a federal investigation.
What investigation?
Investigating you for illegal activity.
What illegal activity?
We think you are a terrorist.
Because I believe in the U.S. Constitution?
Yes.

Edit: Reading this, it seems that the individual "detained" was well within his rights.

Informational Checkpoints
Illinois v. Lidster asks, Are information-seeking checkpoints constitutional?8 The Court answered Yes, concluding that the substantial interest in solving a serious crime outweighed the minor intrusion the stop imposed on motorists. Applying the balancing test, the Court noted that the government's interest in solving a deadly hit-and-run accident is a grave public concern, and the checkpoint's purpose was not general crime control but investigation of a specific, particular crime. The checkpoint was narrowly tailored to advance the government interest (same location as the crime, about one week after the crime, and at approximately the same time of day). Finally, stops were extremely brief, systematic, and limited in scope to a request for information. There is no Fourth Amendment prohibition on officers simply asking citizens in a public place for voluntary cooperation in providing information. Rejecting the argument that allowing information stops would result in a proliferation of checkpoints, the Court pointed to the limitations of police resources and community intolerance of traffic interferences as inherently limiting forces.




Although the Fourth Amendment permits information-seeking checkpoints, the protection against unreasonable search and seizure still applies to the procedures used:

• The crime about which information is sought must be serious.
• Checkpoints must be narrowly tailored (location, time of day, and duration) to the investigative purpose.
• All checkpoint stops must be brief and systematic; arbitrary stops are unconstitutional.
• Officers may not stop vehicles to conduct generalized interrogation.

Information-seeking checkpoints are an important tool for law enforcement. Witnesses may not realize that they have useful information.9 Ours is a mobile society; notifying drivers about crimes may be the only way to reach potential witnesses in some cases. However, agencies should diligently follow the Court's guidance during checkpoints (stops without individualized suspicion) to avoid converting a useful law enforcement tool into an unreasonable (and therefore unconstitutional) stop.

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They had the right, in fact, the obligation to stop everyone at that checkpoint. However, unless they had cause to suspect him of being an illegal alien or transporting aliens, drugs, or other contraband or committing some other serious crime they didn't have the right to search him or even detain him for an extended length of time.

 

way to go some just dont want to hear the truth or dont believe it

 

You build 2 fences about 50 yards apart with a no mands land in the middle, no wheeler will be in there accidentally.

 

How about checking citizenship when renewing license and reg, to help catch all of them? It would make it easier for the cops, that way no license or reg, and then they have a reason to ask other questions.

 

How do you know thier Americans ,theres lots of Illegals in this country that get Welfare,Unemployment,Tuition Reimbursment,Free Medical at our Hospitals,Drivers Licenses,atteding our Public Schools(also getting free breakfasts&Lunchs) all paid by the US Taxpayers shouldnt we be able to eliminate them from our pocket books by asking for IDs to see if at least they are here legally? Where does the Buck Stop? At this point in time they are breaking the Law buy being here and also Mooching our Social Services and costing legal working people billions of dollars I dont see your connection with the Lazy American attitude you seem to have,so you side with Lawbreakers and make the accuse for them that they are better than so-called Lazy Americans you see everywhere,hiding behind every tree. I see alot of Hispanics just hanging around my streets all day just hanging out doing nothing,what are they doing?Are they legal?Are they here just to absorb our Free Social Services?

 

God Bless America

 

The American Gestapo GTFOut of here. Wheres it say in the Constitution that I got to support Social Services for Illegals and thier extended families living here illegally in my country

 

Its a Social Condition brought on by YOUR Country Mexico not ours the US,go boycott and call the Drug Cartels in YOUR country that thier a bunch of Fascists and see what happens talk about a Borderline Fascist country,start taking care of your own people and thier problems before you tell us how to run our country please! Also you can find sympathy between shit and syphylis in the dictionary

 

How is it possible that an illegal immigrant gets welfare, unemployment or anything - cept money under the table for work?

There's a big difference between ILLEGAL immigrants and LEGAL immigrants. There are a lot of LEGAL immigrants in the U.S. because they've gone through the proper channels/paperwork to become legal RESIDENTS and work here in the U.S. As far as I know - they're treated exactly the same as everyone else in the U.S. I was a LEGAL - green card carrying RESIDENT of the United States for 20+ years of my life. I worked & lived here as a Canadian citizen.

Those LEGAL residents whom come here and collect welfare fall into the same pathetic lazy category as anyone American or non-American does.

As far as I'm concerned..... this whole thread shouldn't have anything to do with race, color, or ethnic background. There shouldn't be any FINGER pointing as to what society these illegal immigrants fall into - they're PEOPLE.

 

Read this^ Any more questions about what a True American is^

 

Doesn't matter what color, race or where they are from. Either become part of society like us, get your social, DL, job and pay taxes. If you chose not to be part of the system, leave or we make you leave......simple solution.

 

If you had a Green Card then you should be angry with those people that come here and live without ever having one? No? Yes Illegals can get Unemployment,food stamps,thier children can go to Public Schools,get Drivers Licenses ETC.all of it,paid for out of your CHECK,my not so Lazy friend you done all the right things and the people who do all the wrong things make out better than you.

 

We wouldnt have illegals if the border patrol actually did a better job patrolling the border. Instead they put up their check points to violate your civil rights and ask you the dumbest questions it seems like just to piss you off. They need to get these dorks off the highways and put them on the BORDER then america wouldnt have that problem.

 

when is the last time you looked at our map. We don't have the manpower to patrol the entire border correctly.

 

Dumb^

 

Security cameras and people combined believe me i live on the border they got enough of them.