Pinal County Sheriff's deputy shot in desert confrontation

Amen brother. people need to stop bitching about the Arizona law and start pressing their leaders to enforce policy (law) and secure the borders.

 

I hear ya, my stepfather is an ICE agent up here. His entire office is run by limp wristed pantywaists who cant enforce policy without a lawer there to make sure the ink is the right color black. The comissioner for the midwest is so scared of being sued, they cant even go after the child molesters and rapists and murderers. pathetic. Total self licking ice cream cone. Not that the guys and gals on the line are bad, just the leadership. (shocker)

 

Suns win! Suns win! The Suuuuuuns win!

 

Okay, I'll inform for the 80th time on this site.

Police can only ask you of your legal status after probable cause, such as a fake I.D., fake/stolen SSN, Fake name, etc, etc. And only after police have stopped you for a "lawful stop, detention, or arrest". So in other words, they can not stop you just because you look "Illegal", or "Hispanic", or because of your race or whatever language you may be speaking.

Here is another explanation I wrote to another member, that goes into greater detail. Hope it helps you better understand it. Thanks for reading, now I need to leave and go to the gym.

http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/of...going-illegal-immigration-13.html#post1741962
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Originally Posted by sirwamz
I haven't read what everyone has posted but here are my here are my $.02. I don't agree with it. I am central american, I was born in Nicaragua and came here legally when I was 8. I served 5 years in the Navy and I hate that because of my ethnicity, a cop in Arizona could ask to show proof of my legal status. Are you "freaking" serious!!! I would on purpose tell him/her that I am legal, am a veteran that has served for this country and will not show proof. If they decide to take me to jail then so be it. I won't stand being treated like a criminal because of racial profiling. I have experienced discrimination in the past and it is horrible, it isn't a pleasant experience.

Originally Posted by: BakoTruck
I respect your opinion, but if you read the law, it doesn't say anything about pulling people over or questioning someone about their legal status, just because they "look Illegal" or if they happen to speak Spanish.
Police can only question someone about this if they have probable cause, such as a fake I.D., fake SSN, etc. Nor can Police ask anyone about this "just because they fell like it", only after they do a lawful stop, detention, or arrest. And after that if they have probable cause to think they are an Illegal immigrant, they then can question them on this, such as a fake I.D., etc.

So lets say Matt who happens to speak Spanish and happens to be of Hispanic heritage, and happens to be an Illegal Immigrant is walking down the street past an Officer. Matt is speaking Spanish and walks past the officer sitting in his car, the Officer does not have probable cause toquestion you about your legal status just because you happen to speak Spanish, or have a Hispanic heritage. And if he thinks you're an immigrant, he can't do anything about it anyways, nor can he question you about that.
After Matt passes the Officer, he gets in his car. In front of the Officer, Matt does a huge burnout and races down the street, and speeds. The Officer chases Matt down, and pulls him over. After the Officer checks Matt's I.D. off of his computer in his car, his I.D. turns out to be a fake, his SSN turns out to be a fake number too, and birthday, etc, etc. Then the Officer has probable cause to question Matt about his legal status. At this point it is pretty much clear that he could be an Illegal, and has probable cause to ask.

So let's say you (sirwamz) are walking down the street past an Officer in his car and you happen to speak Spanish, and you have a Hispanic heritage, and you are a legal citizen. And you get into your car, do a "FAT" Bad@ss Tacoma burnout in front of the Officer and speed away going over the speed limit. The Officer will pull you over and ask for your I.D. (driver license) insurance, SSN, etc. After the Officer checks your I.D. in his computer, it turns out to be valid, and all of the information on it matches his screen, your SSN is also a valid number matching your name and age etc, etc. He can't ask you jack squat about anything about your legal status. And he can't ask you about that just because you happen to speak Spanish, or look of a Hispanic heritage. Only after probable cause.
Catch my drift?

And if he asked you about your legal status without probable cause, I would be mad too. If that happens to happen, that Police officer can get into big trouble.

Anyways I don't want to get into a argument with you or anyone on this, I just wanted to put that out there. I also thank you for your service for our country, have a good weekend.
Here is some links for anyone to read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Support...ghborhoods_Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probable_cause

 

As a black sicilian, I unfortunately, and sadly, can't tell you how many times I have been followed in stores by management, eye-balled by security and law enforcement. It's a very belittling feeling. However, I understand that "probable cause" is really defined as a risk assessment. Tail-light out, old DMV tags and being of a minority ethnicity all translate to drawing attention. With probable cause being nothing more than a judgement call, it's not a question of if profiling may occur but when and how frequently... hopefully not standard. I think the chances of anyone having this issue (illegal or not) will be slim as the only opportunity for contact most of the public has with law enforcement is tethered to a traffic violation.

I am in favor of the bill... and unlike others, including those on TW, I have actually read the language. The language is very non-controversial; see non- prejudiced. But, I whole-heartedly think this bill will do nothing to mitigate the violence, drug-trafficking and solicitations. This bill is politics at it's finest; regurgitating similarities in the federal law. At least it provides some teeth to local and state law enforcement.

Lastly (cause I'd rather talk about the Suns big win!), is that I disagree with Article 8 and 25. Read 'em and you'll see. If you can determine why, you win a prize!

 

Either way, unless the Federal Government steps in... Arizona will enforce this legislation. So if you are truly unhappy... write a letter to a US senator (not just Kyle/ McCain) and to a few of the AZ and non-AZ Representatives to voice your concern. Doing so on TacomaWorld does nothing as TW, despite what many might think, is NOT the conduit to the US House and Senate.

So, in the mean time... we will all be stuck with listening to BS and rhetoric from far lefties and far righties. FANTASTIC! I can't hardly wait!

 

you guys can thank AZ for that one


and i'm pretty sure that guy actually died in a bar fight in southern AZ a few years later.....


and from what i understand, in court an officer can't use race alone as probable cause.

so he can't just walk up to you and say "you look hispanic, lets see your passport"

 

Check this out... disgusting!

 

Hahaha. Shit is photoshopped. Its been floating around the interwebz for a few days now.

 

My great-great grandparents(all of them) stood in line at Ellis Island for anywhere betwwen 2-7 days to get into the USA. They stood there with only the little food they brought, or ocasionally someone would walk the line with some bread or water. sometimes it would pour rain or snow they kept standing there. Until they got in.

It should be the same today. There should be no free rides into the country, people should go through a long tedious process, if living in the "best country in the world"is worth it to you, you will go through the process. ( I'm so sorry that your reletives had to take a test, and had to pass it to become citizens)

People who take the free ride, and are caught, should be finger printed, dna sampled, and deported, with all future rights of becoming legal citizens permenantly revoked. If they they are caught in the country again they should be executed.

If you happen to look like someone, who the police have received a description for and/or that is thought to have violated the law, but are not that person-----sorry for the inconvenience.
If you are.........well then.....fuk ya.

Sorry for thread-jacking.
I believe that more border states should start enforcing that the law should be enforced.

So, in the mean time... we will all be stuck with listening to BS and rhetoric from far lefties and far righties. FANTASTIC! I can't hardly wait![/quote]

 

I was hoping it was, but trusted the source it came from. I have seen similar types of behavior first hand, so thought it may be true.

 

Well, I apologize to everyone for that, but you get the gist of it.

But it really drives home the subject at hand, that cops aren't targeting people because of their race, or their language they may be speaking.

 

I confirmed today that this is in fact not photoshopped. It is real and taken by an officer in Los Angeles. It has been distributed to law enforcement agencies for officer safety purposes.

 

Really, no one else on TW has read the bill? Don't insult me Andy.

 

You know what I meant.

 

Yes I did.