Quality difference between Mexico and USA

If so, would the problems from 16 not be rectified on the 18s?

Or should we writing about the problems in Espanol?

 

Lmao

Love it

Long live fca

 

It's shit like that why I say unions are fucking stupid. But I'm part of one. Ibew 353

And seriously I see it too much. Idiotic fucks that somehow still have a fucking job when they can't do a fucking thing right.

 

I am sure she has made you very proud.

I can definitely believe the crazy part...

My ball and chain is brown too and she can get pretty damn insaine....

 

Click the link I provided

 

Yeah hearing things like that and seeing the news, wish I had a job that was tenured or Union

 

Not saying this is a fact, but I’m in the automation industry and design and program robotics for manufacturing, and well, I’ve been to plant in Mexico, not Toyota specifically but Takata whom makes airbags for almost all vehicles out there and from the last decade they’ve come under heat for countless air bag deficiencies and faults that have led to fatalities across the globe. I’ve seen the factory workers there, most are young men that honestly do t take thier job seriously, they goof off and literally play around...I couldn’t take them seriously and they are literally playing with peoples lives. They weren’t focused at all and made so many mistakes while I was watching that they got yelled at by the shop forman as if they were children being yelled at and disciplined by their father it was a joke. I don’t want to generalize my experience across all plants in Mexico but adherence to factory guidelines and standards we have here in America are practically non existent there. I don’t even know if there is a “Mexican OSHA” there either...

 

How could that Mexican plant be improved in your opinion?

American management being sent there to oversee?

Or is Mexican employees problematic to a level it can’t be fixed?


Appreciate your input

 

There was no option anywhere in this thread to press #2 though

 

It’s actually a little bit deeper and involved than that because Takata and Toyota for example are Japanese companies/factories operating in Mexico. American oversight is not welcomed and frankly, non of our business nor do we have much jurisdiction anyways. Unfortunately we can only hold them accountable for “after the fact” issues because their product is on American soil at that point. That’s when we can “punish” by haulting sales, and as you’ve heard many times, issuing recalls, but something major like death or mass QA/QC issues unfortunately has to occur for the US to react. But that’s my point, we are only allowed to react to crappy or life threatening products. We’re not allowed to be preemptive or proactive in preventing these issues if it’s a foreign company operating on foreign soil.

If it were an American company operating in Mexico, then there is already oversight regardless of how lax the Mexican government is because American companies can be punished a lot harsher and it’s easier to pursue law suits because at that point it’s not an international case, it would be a domestic case in which headquarters is almost certainly within our own borders. We can also govern foreign companies operating and manufacturing on our soil. They have to conform to our rules. This MAY be why manufacturing is a little different between two identical plants operating domestically AND internationally as some have noticed. This affects employees, products, quality, saftey, etc..hopefully this answers your question?

This is good dialogue I like it. I haven’t read much of this thread though.

 

Thank you for the information. It is a great to hear someone’s perspective that is in the know

I guess I should have clarified my earlier post and not said American management but management in general

Meaning, when you said the Mexican employees might be the issues, I meant to ask if it’s takata or Toyota who have good reputation to protect, if they send over Japanese management to these Mexican plants, would quality improve?

 

There is TOYOTA oversight and management in every plant. I have been to several, including the Tahara plant in Japan. A friend of mine is top level in a Toyota transmission plant. Point is, the same rules govern all Toyota plants regardless of location. There are Japanese, American and other nationalities at every plant. The bulk of the line workers are local people but not upper management. Same rules, same QC. People are trained the same way everywhere. Toyota takes this seriously. Do different nationalities take their jobs more seriously than others? Sure, but if the rules are the same, there is not much leeway to F off. Case in point: Germans are serious when it comes to manufacturing and expertise. Yet, Mercedes and BMW have worse problems than Toyota. Some of it is engineering but some of it is mfg process too.
If you could access the actual qc data from both plants, I doubt you would see much difference between the two.

 

They certainly do send Japanese management and engineers to audit with or without issues, but they don’t show up unexpected so inherintly you get a fake show during thier audit and more attention to detail and quality because Mexican management doesn’t want to lose their job. Employees get a heads up to be on their A game or there will be a spanking no doubt. There are a few Japanese permanents that sit in the head offices as liaisons but not for QA issues. They’re more of the link between Japan, and operations in Mexico, more of the paper handlers, and communication line. All the engineers, senior or not, as well as employees are Mexican. When drastic stuff happens, those are the first to go but it’s more of a political show to hold “someone” accountable to show the world that they are making changes and adjustments. However, at the end of the day, it’s the employees that are responsible but you can’t fire them all and start fresh per se. You can only try to track and fire those responsible for flaws, hence why there are date codes, lot codes and so on imprinted on almost all parts, not just to help track bad batches for recalls, but you also know who was in charge, and working at the time parts were produced...then fire them. But what does that do? The problem is mentality and work ethics, because people there don’t learn from it, they actually just move on and forget about it until it happens again.

 

That makes sense..... that management isn’t the issue and it can’t really be fixed then

Thanks for the 1st hand knowledge

Actually learned something on his website, for a change!

 

If you think labour cost are high in America please come north and see how wrong you are lol.

 

The work ethic, attention to detail , skill level of workmanship, experience , aptitude and pride of the Japanese auto worker will never and cannot be duplicated in Mexico nor San Antonio. It's a completely different culture with different values. The culture does not value or appreciate high quality well made products. The level of education and standards are much lower in Mexico and "management" will never change that fact.

It's a fact the Japanese auto workers have far more experience, higher education levels and aptitude. Sadly San Antonio has the same "Cultural" and skill level issues. It's laughable that people think you can move manufacturing from Japan to a 3rd world country and maintain the same QC

First NUMMI , then San Antonio and now Tijuana Mexico.

 

Significantly higher ?

 

In japan what is the average education level of factory worker?


In USA what is requirement? GED?

 

yes with Toyota Japan and UA oversight