Will they legalize marijuana?

Well said.
Also, get cancer or have someone you know develop the disease, people who don't want it legalized will change opinion quick. Try using alcohol to alieviate the pain, and don't think opiates are the solution either. I don't smoke weed, but I've seen the benefits.

 

Thanks. A lot of people have given me negative rep for it.

 

haha nice. people take this whole thing to personal. its just a debate.

 

I dont smoke pot personally but I just want people to be allowed to do what they want as far as this goes. This is America for christs sake, land of the FREE

 

Actually they're comparing different things, which is why the numbers are different. The first one is about cancer risk whereas the second is about airway constriction.

 

There are also products like Marinol which is a THC pill. It's not necessary to smoke marijuana to get any medical benefits.

 

U.S. war on drugs failing to meet goals

MEXICO CITY - After 40 years, the U.S. war on drugs has cost $1 trillion and hundreds of thousands of lives - and for what? Drug use is rampant and violence is even more brutal and widespread.
Even U.S. drug czar Gil Kerlikowske concedes the strategy hasn't worked.​

This is a pretty good read.


Btw, I'm for legalization. I'm a libertarian; I feel that Americans should be as free as possible to do what they want so long as it does not infringe on other people's freedoms or rights.​

 

So what if it's natural. Natural doesn't mean or imply that it's better/safer. Tobacco is also natural and was here before laws and regulations concerning it.

 

I don't think enough legislators will have the balls to try and legalize marijuana. Truth is, marijuana is less harmful than cigarettes and alcohol (both of which are widely used and abused, and are still legal. If marijuana was legalized the government could tax it and create revenue instead of sending thousands of people to prison and wasting untold amounts of money. Look at other countries where marijuana is legal...the people there are free to smoke marijuana whenever and wherever they please, and the country doesn't face nearly as many issues with harder, more damaging drugs.

I don't smoke by the way...just my thoughts.

 

THe thread isn't called is smoking marijuana going to be legal....and those pills get you just as high (usually higher) then smoking it. Its a preference as to how the user wants to get the chemical. smoking it may not be the best way but if thats what they choose so be it

 

Kinda my point...The title makes a bold statement and then in the body of the work there are bunch of caveats and limitations to what they really say...
Statistics being bent to purpose.

 

i hate cigarettes, but smoke them every day. i feel that cigarettes provide NO positive effects, but theyre legal. before all the california legal prop 215 stuff, there had to be doctors out there fighting for the right to use marijuana for legitimate reasons. you would never hear a doctor write a prescription for tobacco.

 

But the stats are not being bent. They're two independent articles comparing two different effects to cigarettes (lung cancer in the one, and airway restriction in the other).

In regards to cancer, 20 times more than cigarettes.
In regards to airway restriction, 5 times more.

It's a different thing than tobacco. I would expect different effects on the body.

To me, bending statistics falls more in lines of using sloppy numbers (e.g. 90% confidence intervals vs. 95% confidence intervals). In this case, you are manipulating the statistics to get the result you want.

 

My point is that the "Natural" argument is silly and meaningless.

In regards to positive effects of nicotine:
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/extract/326/7389/561

 

ok well first theres lazy, forgetful, cough potatoe stoners and then theres stoners who just enjoy gettin high, like me. im not lazy, i do forget stuff sometimes i must admit, but im usually very productive. its not bad, its nice after a hard days work. so im hoping they legalize it. ohh and its already taxed, just not a shit load.

 

Yeah, I don't necessarily buy the gateway argument either. I think the gateway effect is more because the substance is illegal so it puts you in touch with those who do illegal things, so you're more likely to try the other things they're offering.

In fact, I've seen the opposite as well. I know one guy who was addicted to percoset because of a shoulder fracture injury (he was popping about 5 times the perscription amount). After he realized it, he started smoking (he used to smoke it when he was younger). Usually one was enough to give him the same pain-relief effect and he was eventually able to stop smoking once the shoulder healed.

 

Exactly, and where does this make sense?

Lets take something NATURAL and manipulate and synthesis it into something UNNATURAL and put it into our NATURAL bodies. It doesn't add up.

Like it or not but we are natural human beings and our bodies are naturally able to digest and use the primary active chemical in Marijuana, THC. Our bodies our made for it, not this chemically altered THC known as Marinol.

Marijuana can not be patented thus it money cant be made from it unlike Marinol which can be patented and profited from by corporate america.

So we recognize the potential for THC but make the most publicly cost effective way to consume it illegal? tell me where this makes sense.



here's a great movie about the business behind the subject:
http://documentaryheaven.com/the-union-the-business-behind-getting-high/

 

The advantage is you get the benefit of THC without the harm or smell that comes from smoking it. You also don't affect those who happen to be around you (e.g. children). There are other by-products that occur when you're burning it that are not good for you. This takes the part that is useful without exposing you to the things that are harmful.

It's a similar idea to those electronic cigarettes. You get the nicotine from the tobacco without the other bad stuff that comes from smoking tobacco. Innovation isn't bad. It can make things better. Who cares if someone makes money off of it if it's a better, safer product.

 

The beauty of the whole thing is that you can now buy vaporizers to consumer your herbal medication. These vaporizers eliminate any harm that comes from smoking marijuana.

If anything, the fact that you are putting a synthetic chemical in your body such as Marinol is prob more harmful than the natural substance found in marijuana.

And lets be real, most responsible smokers do not burn around children. And if that is the case, marijuana is prob only part of the problem.

 

Vaporizers FTW. More bang for your buck too