Features you wish you had on your truck

nice. i lived in bkk for a few years and know the country pretty well. just curious. enjoy the beach!

 

integrated trailer brake system

 

Clearly we are just going to continue going in circles on this. Please, no more speculation, or unproven fact talk.

All I am asking to see is the AT with CC compared head to head with an equally equipt MT (Gen 3 TRD DCSB OR) on various technical spots, and ground substrate that would showcase at what point the AT/CC takes the advantage over the MT. An I am merely suggesting "equally equipt" to remove variables that could later be used in argument as possible advantages/disadvantages.

I am also curious why Toyota hasn't made the claim themselves through advertising that the AT/CC is superior off road to a MT? Or these independent magazine/Youtube reviews never touch on the subject with some testing either?

 

I go to sattahip to the beaxh blue water clean beaches and no tourists. I also go to chang rai a lot. I love the mointains.

I volunteer on an ambulance rescue crew and when i get back im sure we will head to flooded villages to pull out cars from ditches and bring food and supplies. Its all fun

 

An auto always has power going up a muddy hill or through sand. The down side is i can't pop the clutch to get the tires spinning and or rock back and fourth as easy.. plus driving in thailand stop and go traffic sucks.

 

Ive been told the mechanism for a manual roll-up window now costs more to make than a motorized window, and a touch-screen head-unit is less expensive to design, manufacture, and install at the factory than the classic slider or dial mechanical climate controls and various radio buttons etc.

The local municipality where I live has a policy that all their vehicles should be base-model, with manual roll up windows, basic dash, no A/C, no chrome etc......for public perception of being “thrifty” with our tax dollars. They typically buy full size, not Toyota, but even with the domestic trucks these guys actually have to pay more to get the manual roll up windows. With the last purchase of GM pickups, they ended up paying more for each base-model truck than they would have if they had just bought the nicely done-up models: They had to pay extra to have manual roll-up windows, pay to have the rear seats deleted in the access cabs, pay to have the interior carpet deleted. I was told it cost them an extra $1200 per vehicle to remove the upgrades and features.

 

I've seen one comparison online between an auto and a stick Tacoma. The result was "off road capabilities are similar." But they didn't bury the trucks to the axles either.

I don't think crawl control is a gimmick but I also don't think it makes the vehicle more "capable" per se. It's not meant to get you deeper into the shit, it's meant to get you out. Do you know what I mean? A plane without parachutes isn't more capable than a plane without parachutes... but if you NEED the parachute, you're probably pretty glad you got it!

 

no speculation. if your only argument is that you can force your MT to stay in first gear, i can do that with any AT taco, even without crawl control.

 

It does shut off as soon as a door is opened. I can see the logic in that.

This is a very nice feature.

 

Where do you keep coming up with "if your only argument is......"?
I've never said anything about being able to force my MT to stay in first gear. That may be someone else that has that argument.

There are plenty of things an MT can do that an AT cannot do and things an AT can do that an MT cannot, but again that is not what I am looking for here.
That is why I am not mentioning anything specifically.

I am asking for a side by side between AT/CC and MT, because I don't know (and obviously nobody else) if AT with CC is the only thing that will get a Taco through something that would normally stick an AT, or possibly an MT. Nobody has provided any conclusion to this question.

To be fair, an inexperienced wheeler with an AT (no CC) will have his issues and eventually learn his and his vehicles limits. Then CC comes along and changes things for the better for an inexperienced person. I have no doubt that CC works and works well for these people, and even experienced folks.

On the flip side, an inexperienced wheeler with an MT will also have his issues and eventually learn his and his vehicles limits. Where does his capabilities compare to the AT before and after the addition of CC? Nobody has brought this to light with any certainty.

It is really easy to speculate, but showing specific short comings in real time is a more realistic approach for clear understanding of limitations.

 

massage seats. also a cooled center compartment for my roadie beverages

 

you're right, it was joeracer23 that said the advantage was being able to stay in 1st gear.......... so what is YOUR argument for saying the MT is better offroad? take crawl control out of the equation.

 

I am not going to argue that MT is better off road for everyone. I merely prefer MT over AT, as I feel that I have a direct connection with the truck at all times. People can argue up and down about how hard it is to control off road travel with a clutch, but that is usually those that haven't put in the time to become one with their truck. Once a person has their clutch foot calibrated with said truck, he can absolutely feel every rock, rut, divot, swell, slip, etc.... with their left foot that CANNOT be felt with an AT due to the torque converter and lack of 3rd pedal with that direct connection.

Now, there is the valid argument that the torque converter can save drive train as it soaks up shock from the motor to the transmission and this is absolutely true, but keep in mind that at such low RPM's the torque converter will always be doing this. This is good for the drive train, but bad for the direct feeling from foot to ground. The clutch can be harsh on the drive train as some like to think, or not. It totally depends on who is driving, as the driver can always feather the clutch yet still feel everything his tires are touching and can adjust both go pedal and clutch pedal at the same time to make his moves, and the brakes when needed. If a harsh yet controlled "POP" over an obstacle is the right thing to do at some point along the trail, this can only be done with a clutched vehicle. AT's can only power up or over something with a more linear "PUSH" forward, but in no way can they control an instant gratifying "POP HOP" that a clutch can provide.

Am I making any sense with my explanation? It's hard to explain, but easier to do (with practice of course).

 

God bless Pattaya!

 

.... Passenger Mute. Don't we wish this was standard on all vehicles?
There's a place for it just opposite the Lane Assist/Adaptive Cruise Control Selector

 

A V8. Lol.

In all seriousness, automatic headlights.
I can’t believe the “tech-package” doesn’t have them. I haven’t had to manually turn on my lights since 2007 lol.

 

+1 for MT is the little button to the left of the wheel called "clutch start cancel".

 

My 17 Lmtd with Tech has auto on off lights. Unless they changed it with the 18's (possible),I think you should have auto lights. I thought I read you would have auto high/low as well in the 18 with tech. Maybe they combined it in the auto high/low switch?

On my 17 it is a position on the stalk. I think positions are Off, Auto, DRL, On. There may be another on for Park/run but I am too lazy to walk out of the office to the parking lot to check.

 

Its in the limited and premium package for 18. But not part of the tech package.

 

Are you talking about just automatic headlights or auto high beams? My non-tech / non-prem Sport has the best semi-auto headlights that I have experienced. In either the parking light or headlight positions, they automatically shut off after 30sec. That off time is adjustable in Entune. In the dark half of the year or if I am doing errands, I can just leave the switch alone but don't have to deal with the lights flicking on an off depending on light level.