Hammer Hangers® by Archive Garage 2005-2023 Tacoma Shackle Hangers

Thanks for posting this result with Dakars.
I was aware of the possibility due to OME design, with the lower leaves extending into the cavity of the shackle at normal ride height. It probably happens as the axle wraps, while wheel drooped, when powering over an obstacle. Dakars with the 4.9" shackles shouldn't have this happen.

If this happens with your Dakars, there is no harm in shortening the center tab off the HH, but I would try to leave some of the radius to glide over rocks.

Eric

 

This is not correct. I run U402s and the 3.6 shackles and they also contacted the springs.

 

Ok, can you explain and send me pics so I can understand, thanks

 

I'm not sure why you need pictures...I was pretty straight forward with what I'm running and you already know what's happening as you acknowledged it as a possibility with Dakars, I'm simply informing you that contrary to your claim Deavers do it too. But the next time I get the truck on the lift I will grab some for you.

It's a U402HD and the Archive 3.6 shackle. The springs contact the hanger almost immediately after the shackle hits parallel. Thankfully for me i had the ability to limit down travel to avoid this as we had the pack down to main leaf and cycled the shit out of everything, but for someone bolting these on in their driveway I doubt they would even consider the possibility which could potentially lead to them snapping a leaf if enough force was applied. I did still gain some down travel, but not nearly what was anticipated.

Keep in mind these are just my opinions:

All in all, I would give the hammer hangers a 3/5. They look great, are very well made, installed very easily (if you have experience taking out the rivets and an air hammer) and the greasable shackle is a nice upgrade. But the hangers contact the springs with the short or stock length shackle at basically stock droop and they did not reduce the rear end chatter on my truck, even with the cross bar. The cross bar is absolutely not a substitute for a fully boxed frame as some have suggested. I would consider doing them again, but they would not be on my list of must haves.

 

U402HD is a beefy spring with 1" less arch than the u402. The HD is made for weight and therefore its travel capabilities are compromised.
I will consider removing that tab on future hangers.
If the ride still has chatter, could it be the HD springs are too stiff for your weight?

 

Yea, but besides cutting the tab to prevent this from happening and so far only happening on one side by the looks of it... the only other option would be what? Going with longer shackles with the OME Dakars then?

 

I keep getting more glad I went with the 4.9 shackle option. I'm unwrapping everything preparing for install and just noticed the zerk fitting on the shackle, it appears they are already greased is that true?

 

considering that the springs were custom built for my truck, they are not too heavy. Its a Deaver modified U402, not quite standard, not quite HD built around a 3" lift, 500lb weight rating.

But you're deviating from the real issue, spring choice is not the problem here... your hangers are going to do this with any aftermarket spring with the 3.6" shackle and i would assume the stock shackle as well. Vehicles with stock replacement shocks may not have noticed it yet since they aren't capable of that much droop but once they go to a relocated shock its pretty much inevitable.

My advice, shorten the tab or remove it completely. Its a great idea on paper, not really in a real world application.

Just my $0.02.

 

Yea, went out and looked at it after work, the drivers side is pretty gouged up, threw some paint on them to prevent rust, also looked at the passenger side there looks to be one area where the spring caught it... so may just end up taking a cutting wheel to it and cutting them off on both sides but leaving just a little bit of a nub on top.

 

Maybe you could modify the rear spring clips, drill new holes and move the clip bolt down to where it's got 1/4" clearance to main leaf.
This might keep the pack from fanning out.

They are not greased, you'll need to

I'll just remove the tab next batch because shortening it enough to make a difference will mean it cannot be bent up.

 

Cool, thanks. Yeah perhaps just making whole lip not so overstated would be better. If it's only meant to deflect rocks, then that should do the trick. Nothing is without it's kinks.

 

thats probably best. like I said its a great concept on paper but isn't really necessary to the overall function of the product.

props for taking constructive criticism so well by the way and not getting defensive. Says a lot about your character and business mentality.

 

I must be missing something unless im looking at wrong “tab”. Which u402(hd) leaf is hitting at full droop? I have regular u402s stock shock location but hopefully shock relocate in future

 

Uh-oh I have the 402s as well but I just received the hangers today. What do you think, should I cut the tab off now while it's easier to work with or just wait to see if they rub?

 

I would need a visual on this to really understand what you are meaning on this one.

Yea, at this point removing the tab may be easier, hopefully removing the tab won't make to where when the springs fan out that it does not get caught lower down, I don't think it would... but would not know until I flexed out and had some axle wrap.

 

I'm definitely having the leafs contact the hangers as well but I'm hitting the underside, I'll take pictures tomorrow.

 

Damn, the underside... that is definitely no bueno

 

I think it may mean that the leaf caught on the tab which guided it under.

 

My passenger sidemy drivers side

Running CS047R Dakar leaf pack with the AAL, and a BAMF shock relocate kit. My passenger side leaf definitely split that tab and was touching both sides, I didn't even do anything crazy like @ETXTacoma was doing

 

Damn, yea, I didn't even really have anything on the passenger side, it was mainly all driver side.

I even remember when it happened as I remember the pop from it being flexed out at one point.

Still don't understand how we really did not do many trails together at all...