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cruxx · Jun 14, 2018

808Cementtaco said: ↑

Does this make a big difference? Or a speaker upgrade would be worth doing it with this?
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Ya i think its worth it to do both. Road noise through the doirs has been quite minimalized. The windows still let alot of noise through but i can definately tell the difference. The more sections you add, the better it gets. I will be doing back wall as well as openings in doors so as to make the bass, low frequencies better, which has already substantially improved

RivetNutBob · Jun 14, 2018

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For total car audio sound deadening, there is more to it than the CDL mats (such as Noico or Dynamat). All CDL mats do is reduce vibrations of panels. When you stick some of this on a bell, it will no longer "ding", it will just "thud" instead. That's because the material of the bell cannot vibrate freely due to the weight of the CDL attached to it.

The reason you see so much of it in big car audio builds is because they are usually installing some big subwoofers that will shake the hell out of the vehicle. The more the vehicle panels shake, the more it can distor the audio signals that are boucing inside the car. For the 99% of the time when you are listening to music at resonable levels, 100 coverage with these mats are overkill. Instead, "The rule of thumb is: enough CLD to cover 25% of the surface distributed over the central 50%-75% of the panel." So basically, it's best to have patches of CDL on the panels that may vibrate more.

Generally, the bigger the panel, the more it'll vibrate (or resonate). That's why you should put some on the doors (both the inner and outer skins...especially around the speakers which will obviously be vibrating a lot) and behind the rear seats (especially if you have a subwoofer) to start with. Additionally, if you have the time, putting some on the roof and possibly the floor panels will help as well. I ran out of my CDL, but I plan on putting some on my roof becase while I was sitting in the truck in a parking lot, I realized how loud a couple of raindrops can sound because that panel is so large!

Now, there is a side benifit to adding 100 CDL coverage on the doors. When you pop off the door panels, you can see how the inner skin has large holes so that you can access the stuff inside the doors (such as the window or cables). When you cover all of these holes with the CDL mats, you nearly turn the door into a sealed speaker box. Depending on the speaker characteristics, it usually enhances the speaker's response which makes it sound better as you get lower in the freq range.

I mentioned that there is more to sound deadening than applying CDL mats to reduce unwanted vibrations. To really reduce or "deaden" the unwanted outside sounds (such as road noise), you need to add materials that actually reduce the sound at those frequencies. CDL mats do not really reduce the soundwaves at frequencies that are usually associated with road noise. To get at that, you will want to add other mats such as Mass Loaded Vinyl (MLV) or Hydrophobic Melamine Foam (HMF). I have never used HMF, but MLV was amazing!

MLV is a heavy rubber that is about a quarter of an inch thick. It does not need to stick to any surfaces, it just needs to be fitted in a way so that they stay put behind whatever panel you can get it behind.

I have not bought any for the Taco (yet), but in the past, when I added it behind the door panels (after having done the CDL mats), I just use some industrial velcro strips at the top of the door to hang the MLV mat. Then you can put the door panel back on to hide all of it. I have also slid large sections of MLV under the carpet with whatever I had left over. I'm not sure if it would help to put some on the roof unless you have a roof rack and can hear the noise from it at higher speeds.

A fast ring is basically foam weather stripping that is already shaped in a ring meant specifically for car speakers. Although they are convient, I save myself the money and just buy a roll of weather stripping from Lowes or HD and just take my time applying it in a circle around the circumfrence of the speaker adapter.

Ditto what Ruminator said below...definitely make sure the surfaces are clean and DRY before applying CDL!

Also remember to not block/seal/cover the drain holes at the bottom of the doors (where the inner and outer skins meet). Although little watter usually gets in there, it still gets in there and will need to go somewhere. If it can't, then that's where you will have a higher chance of problems.

I have never used Fluid Film and I'm not sure I would want to if it does that to rubber. lol

After the installs I have done, there has never been any issues with moisture or water getting on the CDL or MLV mats. They are designed for high heat and moisture (aka, the harsh car environments). The only 2 problems due to water that I've seen were 1) covered drain holes causeing water to pool up and 2) unpainted MDF/wood speaker rings that eventually swelled up and popped off the door panel! But the mats themselves were a-ok.

Sorry I went long, it's one of the few things I know a bit about and can help crontribute with here...
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No apology please. I just got a crash course in sound deadening installation.
Thank you!

RivetNutBob · Jun 14, 2018

mrproduxn said: ↑

I am going 7,500 miles. My wife's escape also recommends once a year or 10,000 miles. And hers runs Motorcraft semi synthetic. I change hers at 7,500 and that oil is super clean. I run that same oil in my other cars and is always clean when I change it. If semi synthetic is that good then I will see how clean the mobil1 synthetic is at 7,500. Then I may stick with 7,500 or go back to less miles. I still cannot see 10,000 even though that is recommended.
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5k for me!

cruxx · Jun 14, 2018

ToyoDrew said: ↑

For total car audio sound deadening, there is more to it than the CDL mats (such as Noico or Dynamat). All CDL mats do is reduce vibrations of panels. When you stick some of this on a bell, it will no longer "ding", it will just "thud" instead. That's because the material of the bell cannot vibrate freely due to the weight of the CDL attached to it.

The reason you see so much of it in big car audio builds is because they are usually installing some big subwoofers that will shake the hell out of the vehicle. The more the vehicle panels shake, the more it can distor the audio signals that are boucing inside the car. For the 99% of the time when you are listening to music at resonable levels, 100 coverage with these mats are overkill. Instead, "The rule of thumb is: enough CLD to cover 25% of the surface distributed over the central 50%-75% of the panel." So basically, it's best to have patches of CDL on the panels that may vibrate more.

Generally, the bigger the panel, the more it'll vibrate (or resonate). That's why you should put some on the doors (both the inner and outer skins...especially around the speakers which will obviously be vibrating a lot) and behind the rear seats (especially if you have a subwoofer) to start with. Additionally, if you have the time, putting some on the roof and possibly the floor panels will help as well. I ran out of my CDL, but I plan on putting some on my roof becase while I was sitting in the truck in a parking lot, I realized how loud a couple of raindrops can sound because that panel is so large!

Now, there is a side benifit to adding 100 CDL coverage on the doors. When you pop off the door panels, you can see how the inner skin has large holes so that you can access the stuff inside the doors (such as the window or cables). When you cover all of these holes with the CDL mats, you nearly turn the door into a sealed speaker box. Depending on the speaker characteristics, it usually enhances the speaker's response which makes it sound better as you get lower in the freq range.

I mentioned that there is more to sound deadening than applying CDL mats to reduce unwanted vibrations. To really reduce or "deaden" the unwanted outside sounds (such as road noise), you need to add materials that actually reduce the sound at those frequencies. CDL mats do not really reduce the soundwaves at frequencies that are usually associated with road noise. To get at that, you will want to add other mats such as Mass Loaded Vinyl (MLV) or Hydrophobic Melamine Foam (HMF). I have never used HMF, but MLV was amazing!

MLV is a heavy rubber that is about a quarter of an inch thick. It does not need to stick to any surfaces, it just needs to be fitted in a way so that they stay put behind whatever panel you can get it behind.

I have not bought any for the Taco (yet), but in the past, when I added it behind the door panels (after having done the CDL mats), I just use some industrial velcro strips at the top of the door to hang the MLV mat. Then you can put the door panel back on to hide all of it. I have also slid large sections of MLV under the carpet with whatever I had left over. I'm not sure if it would help to put some on the roof unless you have a roof rack and can hear the noise from it at higher speeds.

A fast ring is basically foam weather stripping that is already shaped in a ring meant specifically for car speakers. Although they are convient, I save myself the money and just buy a roll of weather stripping from Lowes or HD and just take my time applying it in a circle around the circumfrence of the speaker adapter.

Ditto what Ruminator said below...definitely make sure the surfaces are clean and DRY before applying CDL!

Also remember to not block/seal/cover the drain holes at the bottom of the doors (where the inner and outer skins meet). Although little watter usually gets in there, it still gets in there and will need to go somewhere. If it can't, then that's where you will have a higher chance of problems.

I have never used Fluid Film and I'm not sure I would want to if it does that to rubber. lol

After the installs I have done, there has never been any issues with moisture or water getting on the CDL or MLV mats. They are designed for high heat and moisture (aka, the harsh car environments). The only 2 problems due to water that I've seen were 1) covered drain holes causeing water to pool up and 2) unpainted MDF/wood speaker rings that eventually swelled up and popped off the door panel! But the mats themselves were a-ok.

Sorry I went long, it's one of the few things I know a bit about and can help crontribute with here...
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Ya thnx for the insight. Took it out for a testdrive and i can already notice reduced road noise through the door but also the base is louder, thumping a bit more. Im going to add more to make it a sealed enclosure and hopefully the base will be decent

brentw59 · Jun 14, 2018

I added some Rod Holders under my Brute Force Bed Rack. It was late so I just tossed some old rods in them and snapped some pics. Seems like it works pretty well. With the tent on top the will be pretty secure.

Kowalski · Jun 15, 2018

Leathermatt said: ↑

I didn't really know where to post this question, but I was wondering what this part is that is rusting so noticbly? I can't really identify what it is, and was wondering if the rust that can be seen is something to be concerned about. The truck is just over two years old. Any input is appreciated, thank you!
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Anyone else have this same issue?

SurfratTX · Jun 15, 2018

RobP62 said: ↑

The reason I am asking about your cell phones is, you can check out a application like this, which is what I use:

http://powerampapp.com/

This turns the stock audio into a an actual decent sounding system. You can download this or something like it for free, see how you like it, and if you feel you need to go to the next level then take the plunge. You will be surprised how well this simple app works. I promise.
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Before I start the internet, app search, and known decent ones for iPhone?

Soul Surfer · Jun 15, 2018

SurfratTX said: ↑

Before I start the internet, app search, and known decent ones for iPhone?
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I run super loud essential from the App Store. When I purchased it, it was on sale for 5.99. It’s pretty decent. I like that when opening the app, it takes over my iTunes library. I’m very happy with the upgraded sound quality it delivers

SurfratTX · Jun 15, 2018

cruxx said: ↑

Abosultely. Instructions state to clean with decgreaser and make sure it is dry before applications. Also remove ait pockets with roller. All those step should actually help with keeping water and moisture away from contact with metal
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So my experience with installing the Noico....
The door panels, etc, the metal is pretty clean to begin with. The black sticky stuff on the Noico will stick to anything if you apply a little pressure. I covered the large, black, plastic baffles on the doors and the Noico stuff sticks like a dang leach!
I did use rubbing alcohol and a microfiber cloth to wipe the metal parts and plastic baffles of the door and backwall. Reality, can’t say you have to do that for what I previously mentioned the metal already being clean. Plastic baffles were clean too. I ran my fingers over both before wiping with alcohol, no dirt or oily residue of any kind that I could feel.
The Noico material black sticky stuff with aluminum backing, water wouldn’t affect it. No doubt it would be a water barrier if anything.
I installed the Noico film inside my garage which the floor is painted with epoxy. I put on some cheap can throw away socks and no shoes since if you get any small pieces of the Noico on your feet, think shoes, it’s a PITA to get off. Easier to trash the socks.

Roller vs no roller.
You can use your fingers to press/rub the material on the doors. But that’s a lot of pressing and rubbing etc to smooth out the Noico versus rolling. After doing the backwall my fingers smarted some...just from the pressing, rubbing and even using the roller for the larger areas.
I did use the metal roller versus wood or plastic because it is a little heavier.
Some places you can’t get the roller to, then you use your fingers.
Because I had a lot of ‘seams’ where the Noico lays up against or slightly overlaps each other the roller was much easier to use to ‘seam’, flatten, seal etc those areas. And there are tons of those since a lot of piecing the Noico together happens when applying to the backwall area and doors.
And all the edges of the Noico, like where it ends, especially around the speakers, way easier to roll versus rubbing out with fingers.
So, for $10 the Noico metal roller was way worth it for me.

As I have mentioned before, with the sound deadening applied, just the speaker/music/sound enhancement alone, makes it worth it for me. Music, especially bass, clean bass at that, is way enhanced!
Pics I posted before.

freeriderchad108 · Jun 15, 2018

808Cementtaco said: ↑

I’m looking to do a full system upgrade but have zero knowledge on sounds and I’m scared shitless of touching anything electronic on these new trucks I only installed a sub and amp in my 2nd gen yota. Any help and info would be amazing!
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There are a bunch of really good posts on the forum that show step-by-step instructions on how to swap speakers. Amps are a bit more tricky, but if you're a bit savvy at wiring you can figure it out. If not, take it to a pro.

The speakers are literally just one plug you can't put in backwards and if you get the new speakers on Crutchfield they will supply you with a wiring harness for each speaker that you can't mess up. Very simple and very easy once you get the door panels off (which feels like you might break the back ones).

tn111 · Jun 15, 2018

Wrapped the scoop last night

RobP62 · Jun 15, 2018

SurfratTX said: ↑

Before I start the internet, app search, and known decent ones for iPhone?
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Lee,
I don't have any experience with iPhones or iOS so I would check out the app @JD'STaco suggested. Since there is a minimal fee for it, that should eliminate any add popups.

cruxx · Jun 15, 2018

SurfratTX said: ↑

So my experience with installing the Noico....
The door panels, etc, the metal is pretty clean to begin with. The black sticky stuff on the Noico will stick to anything if you apply a little pressure. I covered the large, black, plastic baffles on the doors and the Noico stuff sticks like a dang leach!
I did use rubbing alcohol and a microfiber cloth to wipe the metal parts and plastic baffles of the door and backwall. Reality, can’t say you have to do that for what I previously mentioned the metal already being clean. Plastic baffles were clean too. I ran my fingers over both before wiping with alcohol, no dirt or oily residue of any kind that I could feel.
The Noico material black sticky stuff with aluminum backing, water wouldn’t affect it. No doubt it would be a water barrier if anything.
I installed the Noico film inside my garage which the floor is painted with epoxy. I put on some cheap can throw away socks and no shoes since if you get any small pieces of the Noico on your feet, think shoes, it’s a PITA to get off. Easier to trash the socks.

Roller vs no roller.
You can use your fingers to press/rub the material on the doors. But that’s a lot of pressing and rubbing etc to smooth out the Noico versus rolling. After doing the backwall my fingers smarted some...just from the pressing, rubbing and even using the roller for the larger areas.
I did use the metal roller versus wood or plastic because it is a little heavier.
Some places you can’t get the roller to, then you use your fingers.
Because I had a lot of ‘seams’ where the Noico lays up against or slightly overlaps each other the roller was much easier to use to ‘seam’, flatten, seal etc those areas. And there are tons of those since a lot of piecing the Noico together happens when applying to the backwall area and doors.
And all the edges of the Noico, like where it ends, especially around the speakers, way easier to roll versus rubbing out with fingers.
So, for $10 the Noico metal roller was way worth it for me.

As I have mentioned before, with the sound deadening applied, just the speaker/music/sound enhancement alone, makes it worth it for me. Music, especially bass, clean bass at that, is way enhanced!
Pics I posted before.

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Like what you did, even put the plastic back on afterwards, which i think is unneccesary after adding noico to the baffle areas. My only concern us what happens when you need to access this cavity in the future? Otherwise, this really enhanced the bass in a surprising way. Also reduced road noise, but only through the doors. Windows are still quite noisy, so while you cant really do anything about that, there is quite a noticable diffetence

STexaslovestacos · Jun 15, 2018

Blazingbluesport said: ↑

Nothing. Because UPS lost my RCI sliders. How the heck do you lose 130 lbs of metal??!!
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My sliders showed up late because they got their tags mixed up and tried to deliver them to the 23rd floor of a hospital! I'm glad the hospital didn't accept them.

Blazingbluesport · Jun 15, 2018

STexaslovestacos said: ↑

My sliders showed up late because they got their tags mixed up and tried to deliver them to the 23rd floor of a hospital! I'm glad the hospital didn't accept them.
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I just found mine while I was taking my dogs for a walk. They delivered them to 2127, my address is 5127.

SNJTaco · Jun 15, 2018

Week of Plasti-dipping before/during/after 4 coats of spray 40 min wait between coats
Wanted to add a little color, too much white gives it a kinda work truck feel
maybe mirror caps next?

JRH_Tacoma · Jun 15, 2018

SNJTaco said: ↑

Week of Plasti-dipping before/during/after 4 coats of spray 40 min wait between coats
Wanted to add a little color, too much white gives it a kinda work truck feel
maybe mirror caps next?

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Do the mirror caps too, its a great combo with the black scoop!

toyotatacomaTRD · Jun 15, 2018

SNJTaco said: ↑

Week of Plasti-dipping before/during/after 4 coats of spray 40 min wait between coats
Wanted to add a little color, too much white gives it a kinda work truck feel
maybe mirror caps next?

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Very subtle. Looks nice. Good job.

RobP62 · Jun 15, 2018

SNJTaco said: ↑

Week of Plasti-dipping before/during/after 4 coats of spray 40 min wait between coats
Wanted to add a little color, too much white gives it a kinda work truck feel
maybe mirror caps next?

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Do the mirror caps too. Here's a video showing how to remove them. Some guys will place a plastic grocery bag over the mirror to keep the covers from flying off and hitting the ground or the truck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qth3PQGKDo

rgljr831 · Jun 15, 2018

JD'STaco said: ↑

I run super loud essential from the App Store. When I purchased it, it was on sale for 5.99. It’s pretty decent. I like that when opening the app, it takes over my iTunes library. I’m very happy with the upgraded sound quality it delivers

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Downloaded this morning. Huge difference! Can’t wait to swap out speakers! Thanks for the tip!

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