Manual Transmission - 1st & 2nd Gear

lol so can anyone...the real question being, what's your clutch smell like after?!

 

No smell. Centerforce type II clutch and shifting/driving skills.

 

you da man

 

You should drive a 2nd Gen 6 Speed for comparison, this 3rd Gen is absolutely buttery smooth.

 

Mine is much smoother when it's warm out. I think it will be sorted after I add a short-shifter and a Sprint Booster. I'm very tempted to bypass the clutch accumulator, but warranty.

 

What is your take on the warranty and the accumulator.

My thought is that the MT and clutch are going to be solid well through the warranty period and even more so with it gone?

 

I agree, I think the accumulator is doing more harm than good. It's supposed to reduce dumping the clutch, but I find that when I release the pedal, half a second later the accumulator dumps the clutch, unless I ride it.

 

I really don't notice much difference in clutch feel between my truck and car other than the car has a clutch cable and requires about 10 times as much pedal pressure.

 

My Civic has a hydraulic clutch without an accumulator. There's no delay when engaging and disengaging the clutch. The Taco has a slight delay from the accumulator, which is horrible for quick, smooth shifting, IMHO.

 

I don't really notice any delay in my truck, I have powershifted it before with no problems, maybe I am just used to it.

 

70,000 miles on my 2016 trdor MT and it shifts great always has. 2 things you have to know 1. always shift above 3,000rpm and it will be as smooth as silk. 2. If you have to shift below 2500rpm you really have to ease the clutch out. This is all in reference to the first to second or second to first shifts. All the other gears seem fine. 1st is just so low I honestly only use it from a dead stop. It’s so low for example I have put it in 1st gear let the clutch out and literally crawled up a hill with out the engine stalling or ever touching the gas or clutch just idled all the way up the hill.

 

Yeah. The accumulator does some weird shit and takes away a lot of feel. With any volume on the radio, the vibes from the speakers that transmits to the pedals takes away all the feel that the clutch has.

That is not all just the 1st gear ratio. The ECU tries to prevent the engine from stalling near idle. I can feel and hear it doing this when I park it in my tight garage. It a function of electronic throttles / DI these days. This could probably also be seen on the Torque app when monitoring the throttle plate angle? It is great for stop and go traffic though. I've never had a car that could crawl along so slow. But then, I'm opposite of most folks and hate ATs most when in traffic.

I shift below 2,500rpm all the time and can drive around in 5th at 35 and 6th at 40-45 depending when commuting. As long as the revs are at about 1,400, I get a decent power from the motor for typical driving. Steep hills or hard acceleration does require dropping a gear or two, but that's fine with me.

Shifting is smooth if I am always paying attention to the action. None of our previous MTs were like that except our volvo where the friction zone would float around a bit. For the Taco, I think that getting rid of this accumulator / damper, more of the feel will come through the pedal. At least that is my hope.

 

Sorry yeah I thought I clarified it was the 1st to 2nd or 2nd to 1st shifts. I agree all the other gears seem to be fine below 2500rpm. I also agree I love this truck in traffic!! It does a geat job and much easier on the engine than an automatic transmission in stop and go traffic.

 

Sorry. Even going between 1st and 2nd at low RPMs is fine in mine. There does seem to be some differences between these trucks sometimes. I feel that I got (rarely) lucky in the way mine is working out.

That said, coasting over speed bumps gives some issues due to the lash in the drivetrain. Old habit from the cars. Learning to just drive over them without slowing.

 

I hear ya there it does feel different some days compared to others. Damn computers.

 

Or really any other manual trans truck. This is my first rig that isn't almost 2 decades old, and I was pretty taken back by how good it was. Now the drive by wire is a whole other issue, but I have no qualms with the shifting.

 

It is a dramatic improvement for sure! Drive By Wire has been on Tacoma's since around 2002 or 2003 so I guess I am accustomed to it and don't even notice any quirks from it.

 

Maybe not so much the drive by wire but the oddities with the engine mapping that makes it hard to rev match. It's almost unpredictable and that rev hang is just annoying.

 

It's a lot better. I drove a 1st Gen Tundra once. The ETB was like a literal rubber band.

IMHO, I believe the extremely fine controls needed for DI make it a lot better and faster to respond. I haven't had any real complaints with any DI motor that I drove. I did hate most all cars that had port injected electronic throttle bodies though. It was a BAD transition phase.

 

So I've got a question and it might turn into a difference of opinion or possibly I'm a fool?
I've had multiple other vehicles with mt's last of witch was a first gen Tacoma and when on bumpy roads (going down a hill) I'll leave my truck in neutral and coast. First gen didn't make an awful lot of noise but my third gen...holy cow it sounds like the drive line is falling off! My question is....is it better for the truck to leave it in gear and let the trans soak up bumps or let everything bounce around sound terrible and get used to the noise? I spend a lot of time on rough roads and I'm planning on keeping this truck until atlat le 200k so I open for all opinions and insight. Thanks!