1. Welcome to Tacoma World!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all Tacoma discussion topics
    • Communicate privately with other Tacoma owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site

Misfire problem with one cylinder bank

Discussion in '1st Gen. Tacomas (1995-2004)' started by 5000fingers, Jul 5, 2018.

  1. Jul 5, 2018 at 12:48 PM
    #1
    5000fingers

    5000fingers [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2011
    Member:
    #58817
    Messages:
    51
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Bruce
    Bay Area, CA
    Vehicle:
    '95 Tacoma, 6 cyl.
    I'm still trying to diagnose a misfire problem in all three cylinders on the driver's side, after a valve job (both valve heads rebuilt). An excellent local machine shop did the valve head rebuilds, and I was careful about all of the grounds, the spark plugs, spark plug wires, etc. And I can't imagine that I put the camshaft sprockets together wrong, that would be hard to do. So I'm still stuck on what kind of error I might have made in reassembly that leaves me with a rough running engine and misfire codes from cylinders 2, 4, and 6.

    I'm curious whether it might be a fuel problem specific to that fuel rail. How likely is that? This is the fuel rail that has a vacuum actuated regulator of some sort (the passenger side fuel rail just has a banjo bolt). What's the reason for having two separate fuel lines for the different fuel rails? And how could I diagnose this, either as a fuel problem, or a timing problem? My gear is pretty basic.
     
  2. Jul 5, 2018 at 1:01 PM
    #2
    Glamisman

    Glamisman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2016
    Member:
    #200436
    Messages:
    4,900
    Gender:
    Male
    I am thinking that the D/S cam is out of time... a quick compression test could verify this. Compare the P/S cylinders to the D/S cylinders. New cam belt of reuse the old one? A new belt "should" have arrows pointing forwards and paint lines to help in positionong the belt on the pulleys.
     
    mechanicjon likes this.
  3. Jul 5, 2018 at 1:11 PM
    #3
    mechanicjon

    mechanicjon They call me "Jonny Stubs"

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Member:
    #203828
    Messages:
    10,149
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jon
    Scottsdale Arizona
    Vehicle:
    04 Taco SC 4dr SR5 TRD Prerunner
    Supercharged, AEM FIC/6, Meth Inj, ION Alloy's, Radio & Phone steering Wheel controls,Fabtech AAL, Billie's wrapped with 880's , Tundra big brake conversion, bully bars and Pioneer DDin Stereo/dvd with exterrnal usb ports. 290K and going strong.
    ^^^^ x2^^^^
     
  4. Jul 5, 2018 at 1:12 PM
    #4
    5000fingers

    5000fingers [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2011
    Member:
    #58817
    Messages:
    51
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Bruce
    Bay Area, CA
    Vehicle:
    '95 Tacoma, 6 cyl.
    I reused the old timing belt, but it was changed fairly recently and still had the timing marks on it, very clearly. It would be hard to get that wrong. I am 100% positive that the timing belt was installed correctly according to the TDC marking, the line on the timing belt, and the dot on the sprocket. I suppose it might have been *slightly* more likely that I might have been off a tooth when I assembled the camshafts, because I was looking for those dots in the back, with my little mirror. Still, it's pretty easy to line up those markings too, that's another step that would have been hard to get wrong.

    OK I think it's time I broke down and bought a compression tester. What would I expect to see if the timing belt or camshafts were off by a tooth?
     
  5. Jul 5, 2018 at 1:18 PM
    #5
    mechanicjon

    mechanicjon They call me "Jonny Stubs"

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Member:
    #203828
    Messages:
    10,149
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jon
    Scottsdale Arizona
    Vehicle:
    04 Taco SC 4dr SR5 TRD Prerunner
    Supercharged, AEM FIC/6, Meth Inj, ION Alloy's, Radio & Phone steering Wheel controls,Fabtech AAL, Billie's wrapped with 880's , Tundra big brake conversion, bully bars and Pioneer DDin Stereo/dvd with exterrnal usb ports. 290K and going strong.
    A very noticeable difference in compression from drivers side to passenger side.
     
  6. Jul 5, 2018 at 1:28 PM
    #6
    Glamisman

    Glamisman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2016
    Member:
    #200436
    Messages:
    4,900
    Gender:
    Male
    odd stuff happens ALL the time, lucky she is a non-interference engine, if she wasnt you would KNOW immediatly.
     
  7. Jul 6, 2018 at 10:09 AM
    #7
    5000fingers

    5000fingers [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2011
    Member:
    #58817
    Messages:
    51
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Bruce
    Bay Area, CA
    Vehicle:
    '95 Tacoma, 6 cyl.
    OK so I got a compression tester, and as suspected the D.S. cylinder bank is not holding any compression (all three cylinders on the passenger side were around 200 lb/sq.in.).

    So it seems this is a valve timing issue. I see three possibilities, #1 would be that I put the camshafts together wrong (not likely), #2 that I put the timing belt on wrong (not likely), and #3 is that the machine shop didn't rebuild the valve head correctly (not likely).

    So how do I diagnose what's going on from here? And are there any other options than the three that I listed?

    Other question: I *know* for 100% certainty that the camshaft sprockets were lined up correctly to the lines on the timing belt. If somehow I got the timing belt off a tooth on the crankshaft, wouldn't I still get compression in the cylinders? And wouldn't the problem be in both cylinder heads? In order to get no compression, doesn't that mean that the exhaust and intake valves are out of sync?
     
    Last edited: Jul 6, 2018
  8. Jul 6, 2018 at 10:26 AM
    #8
    mechanicjon

    mechanicjon They call me "Jonny Stubs"

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Member:
    #203828
    Messages:
    10,149
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jon
    Scottsdale Arizona
    Vehicle:
    04 Taco SC 4dr SR5 TRD Prerunner
    Supercharged, AEM FIC/6, Meth Inj, ION Alloy's, Radio & Phone steering Wheel controls,Fabtech AAL, Billie's wrapped with 880's , Tundra big brake conversion, bully bars and Pioneer DDin Stereo/dvd with exterrnal usb ports. 290K and going strong.
    Pull the valve cover and check cam timing. Then pull the t-belt cover and check belt timing.
     
  9. Jul 6, 2018 at 10:26 AM
    #9
    mechanicjon

    mechanicjon They call me "Jonny Stubs"

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Member:
    #203828
    Messages:
    10,149
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jon
    Scottsdale Arizona
    Vehicle:
    04 Taco SC 4dr SR5 TRD Prerunner
    Supercharged, AEM FIC/6, Meth Inj, ION Alloy's, Radio & Phone steering Wheel controls,Fabtech AAL, Billie's wrapped with 880's , Tundra big brake conversion, bully bars and Pioneer DDin Stereo/dvd with exterrnal usb ports. 290K and going strong.
    or vise-versa
     
  10. Jul 6, 2018 at 10:28 AM
    #10
    mechanicjon

    mechanicjon They call me "Jonny Stubs"

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Member:
    #203828
    Messages:
    10,149
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jon
    Scottsdale Arizona
    Vehicle:
    04 Taco SC 4dr SR5 TRD Prerunner
    Supercharged, AEM FIC/6, Meth Inj, ION Alloy's, Radio & Phone steering Wheel controls,Fabtech AAL, Billie's wrapped with 880's , Tundra big brake conversion, bully bars and Pioneer DDin Stereo/dvd with exterrnal usb ports. 290K and going strong.
    The machine shop bolted the cams in the heads correct?
     
  11. Jul 6, 2018 at 10:42 AM
    #11
    5000fingers

    5000fingers [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2011
    Member:
    #58817
    Messages:
    51
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Bruce
    Bay Area, CA
    Vehicle:
    '95 Tacoma, 6 cyl.
    The machine shop had the camshafts in order to adjust the valves. On this engine you need to remove the camshafts to install the head bolts, so I installed the camshafts. Maybe that's my first step, to verify that I didn't make a boneheaded mistake putting the camshafts together. Though it's pretty damn simple, put the two dots together, duh. Anyway pulling off the intake manifold to take the valve cover off is a lot less work than checking the timing belt, so I guess that's my first task today.
     
    mechanicjon likes this.
  12. Jul 6, 2018 at 8:08 PM
    #12
    5000fingers

    5000fingers [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2011
    Member:
    #58817
    Messages:
    51
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Bruce
    Bay Area, CA
    Vehicle:
    '95 Tacoma, 6 cyl.
    OK, mystery solved. When I put together the camshafts (exhaust and intake), there are little dots stamped into the sprockets where they mesh together. Well, unbeknownst to me, there are dots, and then there are TWO dots stamped exactly 180º away. So I had matched up one dot on one shaft to two dots on the other shaft. These dots are stamped on the firewall side of the sprockets, so you have to look with a little spot mirror, so it was easy to miss the one dot/two dot thing. So yes, it was my boneheaded mistake (I figured that much), but it was only a semi-boneheaded mistake.

    Thanks to all of you who pointed me in the right direction. So it’s all back together and running strong, no misfires and no check engine codes. Next question, however: is it normal to see some smoke coming from the engine for a little while after a valve job?
     
  13. Jul 6, 2018 at 11:35 PM
    #13
    mechanicjon

    mechanicjon They call me "Jonny Stubs"

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Member:
    #203828
    Messages:
    10,149
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jon
    Scottsdale Arizona
    Vehicle:
    04 Taco SC 4dr SR5 TRD Prerunner
    Supercharged, AEM FIC/6, Meth Inj, ION Alloy's, Radio & Phone steering Wheel controls,Fabtech AAL, Billie's wrapped with 880's , Tundra big brake conversion, bully bars and Pioneer DDin Stereo/dvd with exterrnal usb ports. 290K and going strong.
    Glad you got it fixed. Yes some smoke is normal.
     

Products Discussed in

To Top