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Pro-life or Pro-choice?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by OCTaco, Jun 9, 2010.

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Prolife or Prochoice

Poll closed Jul 9, 2010.
  1. Prolife~ Abortion is murder and therefore unacceptable

    104 vote(s)
    32.8%
  2. Prochoice~ It's a free country people should be free to do as they please

    213 vote(s)
    67.2%
  1. Jun 9, 2010 at 10:52 AM
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    OCTaco

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    Talking about another persons mother is rude. Let's keep mom's out of it.
     
  2. Jun 9, 2010 at 11:00 AM
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    pro life. its a living thing.

    my sister was born from my mother being raped. Im glad my mom is pro life because i love my sister. However, i believe in aborting if found to have defects
     
  3. Jun 9, 2010 at 11:01 AM
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    I am pro-life, that being said, People are peole and are going to do whats in their interest. Will it still happen, undoubtedly.
     
  4. Jun 9, 2010 at 11:05 AM
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    I think you need more options. There are those who are completely for or against it and then there's people who see that in the cases of rape or incest, it could be an option if the victim so chooses. As far as I'm concerned, to use it as a form of birth control is not acceptable. Wear a condom, take a pill, abstain... take some accountability for yourself and ensure that you're not bringing unwanted children into the world. Oh and OC, you contradicted yourself when you said you were pro-choice, then stated that you would never allow your partner to have one. You have no say in whether she has one or not. And especially considering that you'd give everyone else the option to have one, but not your partner... This isn't an attack on you. Just saying that your viewpoints are not aligned. Also, this will be my only post on the subject, as I have no desire to spend the afternoon debating it with people who don't agree with me. Plus, I'm pretty sure it'll be locked pretty soon.
     
  5. Jun 9, 2010 at 11:16 AM
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    I'll say I'm Pro-Responsibility.

    I think people should be responsible for their actions. This is especially true in the case of sexual intercourse. I (generally) hold by the policy that if I am not willing to father a child with the person I am sleeping with, I don't sleep with them.*

    *Let's not confuse this with "want" to have a child with them. But I make a distinction -- if they were to get pregnant, would I be willing (and able) to be a good dad, or would I want to run for the hills? If it's the latter, I generally don't dip my pen...or I double-bag it.

    That being said, I am convinced that abortion needs to be a legal, safe resource for people who haven't the mental, physical or monetary capacity to care for a child. I would much rather see a child who is going to be abused, malnourished, exploited or worse not be brought into the world. No one needs to experience that, not matter how innocent they are.
     
  6. Jun 9, 2010 at 11:19 AM
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    Pro Choice, but I'd like to think people would choose life.

    I just find it funny that people who are pro life who say put the kid up for adoption are never the ones who adopt. It's damn near always the left wing godless hippies with 20 different coloured kids.

    That being said, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But you cannot tell someone what to do with their body.
     
  7. Jun 9, 2010 at 11:21 AM
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    Pro-life. As for the woman's body, she's free to do what she wants. It doesn't give her the right to kill the child. The child is not her body as about 50% are male.

    For the abortion argument, "If you don't like abortion don't have one," the logic is flawed. To me it's the same argument, "If you don't like slavery, don't own one."

    For the hypocrisy argument, it's not hypocritical to be for less government and more freedom yet desire that the law forbid the killing of an innocent.
     
  8. Jun 9, 2010 at 11:26 AM
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    Let's not stop there. Most left wingers that scream for the government to get out of their bedroom and leave their bodies alone are the ones who voted to impose a massive government intrusion into everyone's healthcare / bodies when all polls showed at least 55 - 60% of Americans didn't want it. ;)
     
  9. Jun 9, 2010 at 11:26 AM
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    Wow...surprised this subject hasn't gotten closed yet. :eek:

    I can go both ways.

    Abortion is not a form of birth control - I'm AGAINEST it in this aspect. I had a friend in college who didn't like to use any forms of birth control. Needless to say, she had 3 abortions and still never used birth control. I find that attitude rather disturbing.

    I'm ALL FOR Abortion in cases where someone was raped and ended up getting pregnant. I'm also FOR abortion if/when the mother or father (or both) are incapable of raising a child whether it be due to being poor and/or can't mentally handle it. We have enough kids in this world whose parents can't take care of them, abuse them physically, mentally, and sexually, endup in foster homes, tossed around in the system, etc.

    Ultimately, we wouldn't have the need for abortions if frigin people practiced
    BIRTH CONTROL!! BIRTH CONTROL!! BIRTH CONTROL!!!
     
  10. Jun 9, 2010 at 11:26 AM
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    Pro choice... why should someone else tell you what to do with your body or something in your body?
     
  11. Jun 9, 2010 at 11:43 AM
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    I am pro-staying the heck out of it.
    I don't want to dictate what someone does to their body. Nor do I want someone telling/forcing me to do or not to do with my body.
     
  12. Jun 9, 2010 at 11:44 AM
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    Best post in this thread!
     
  13. Jun 9, 2010 at 11:50 AM
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  14. Jun 9, 2010 at 11:56 AM
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    A bundle of cells that hasn't achieved self awareness isn't an innocent being. I have more "Life" teeming in my bowls from bacteria, not to mention one hell of a tape worm that I'm sure much be at least 12 years old by now and 30-40 feet long.

    Second, the guy doesn't have to carry the child around for 9 months. His body doesn't get destroyed for over a year. He has like 20% of the vote. Woman's majority takes it.

    But again, don't play the game if you don't like the prize at the end.

    Health care and telling people what to do with their bodies is two totally different things. The lovely thing with health care is that if you are of sound mind, you can turn down any form of health care and it is considered battery if the health care provider continues to provide help.

    Your argument holds no grounds I'm sorry to say.
     
  15. Jun 9, 2010 at 12:00 PM
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    Harden your bark, there are storms on the horizon.
    pro choice.

    i do have a question for the pro life side: what makes an unborn human fetus more important than say, a chicken? do we, as humans have more of a right to be on this planet than the other animals do? chicken eggs that have been fetilized are cooked and eaten everyday...are they just eggs because they come from chickens, or are they already chickens? sounds funny to say "I'll have the scrambled chicken platter.", doesn't it? why is this not thought of as animal abuse by the pro life crowd?

    should a pregnant woman be charged for two tickets when traveling on a plane? double occupancy at a hotel? can i get a life insurance policy on a fetus in the event of a miscarriage? <(sorry, trying to make a point)

    i appologize if i am offending anyone...just trying to look at the subject from another angle as far as the "status" of a fertilized egg in utero.

    another question: if you are pro life, does that mean you are against vasectomies and women being tied? do you have a pet that has been neutered or spayed?

    :crapstorm:

    i am all in favor of stem cell research as well.
     
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    Good points. I agree.
     
  17. Jun 9, 2010 at 12:04 PM
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    Read the posts. Good civil conversation.
    Yes, like all I have a definite opinion on the issue. Pro-Choice would be that answer. With some reservation as to when life is considered to truly have begun.
    I also believe that the choice should be made by the woman. While it may have been my sperm and I might personally be devastated, it's her body.
     
  18. Jun 9, 2010 at 12:06 PM
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    One more I would ask, if you are pro-life, are you anti-death penalty?
     
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    Many believe that life begins at conception, and those people, myself included, feel there is no choice but life when that decision has to be made. I believe science is showing more and more evidence everyday that a fetus is more than tissue.

    Life is a beautiful thing, and for a mother to make a tough decision to do her part in granting life when circumstances and convience would tell her to abort the child, is a wonderful and couragous thing to do. Conversly when a woman does have an abortion most never are told of or are prepared for the mental pain they experience until afterward. The majority of the time these stories are never told.

    Typing on a forum or reading a forum rarly changes minds, but I do hope that others will do research into what they believe.
     
  20. Jun 9, 2010 at 12:17 PM
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    I believe humans do have a higher priority. So do you. If a child and a chicken were in a burning building, I'm betting you'd save the child.

    No. Even infants don't result in extra charges.
    You could probably get miscarriage coverage. I don't know. It doesn't really matter though as a company's policy has nothing to do with whether or not the fetus is a child.
    I'm not against contraception.

    I'm not in favor of embryonic stem cell research. I do support stem cell research though.
     

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