Toyota Safety Sense for 3rd Gens

I'm looking forward to it & I believe the technolgy will reduce deaths, injury & property damage.

I've driven TM & HMC products with this technology several times over the past few years. I've yet experience any false trigger.

I'm not perfect & I'm pretty sure most other drivers aren't either. If I can get a back up to maybe catch me if I screw up at a reasonable cost I'm all for it.

 

I was playing around with the Entune login last night on a desktop, apparently in the 2017 version we do have the ability to add 4 more users, who can then enjoy all the services of the Entune App suite and also customize their own settings! Sweeeet.

 

... and folks worry about excessive starter wear&tear from having to restart the truck after remote-starting and opening the door...

The trouble is the tendency of people to cease being attentive because they're relying on what *should* be a backup safety system. Look at the typical advertising for these sorts of systems including rear cross-traffic alerts, to me they seem to give a pass to people doing stupid shit and driving distracted. "Oh yeah I've had a couple too many drinks, but my car will keep me in my lane and keep me from rear ending someone"... until it doesn't. "I can send this super important work email and not pay attention to traffic" until it doesn't.

When Stupid Hurts, there's incentive to not be Stupid.

 

I agree. It's a step in the right direction, and will reduce some accidents.

Of course some people will use this as a substitute to not pay attention while driving and not use common sense. Other than that it's a great backup system, and should be viewed as only a backup.

 

Exactly. For already intelligent responsible drivers it is a nice back up that you will probably not even notice.

For idiots.. who cares. They will be idiots no matter what they drive... you can't change their nature. Intelligent/responsible people shouldn't have suffer for the shortcomings of the masses. << this happens way too often.. we dummy things down or can't have something because of a few.

 

While I think this could be good in some situations, I think for the area I'm in it would be terrible. People cut in and out of traffic all the time, plus the stop at the drop of a hat in an attempt to make a turn, or get into the next lane because their shopping destination is there... rather than take a few minutes to go further down and make a u-turn or turn at the light.

Maybe I'm paranoid about this, but I see this tech being used against us as well. If you have it disabled, and are involved in an accident, then what? Do we shoulder part or all of the blame because we turned off this "safety feature"?

"The accident could have been prevented if the active safety features were all activated. Because you disabled it, you're at fault and will now shoulder XX% of the injury claim."

 

Dosen't work in direct sunlight

 

The SAE has broken the implementation of automotive autonomy into 5 loosely defined phases. For the most part their, yours and my issue is step 3. Where much of the autonomous function is there but, without reliability...it therefore still requires human oversight. The SAE and manufacturers seem to understand vehicle operators will be lulled into a false sense of security and that's where the warnings come into play. We've already seen some lower level warning systems built into some of the basic functions in the form a flashing indicators, sounds/tones, vibrating steering wheels and vibrating seats. I would expect to see those in broader use as the technology/implementation and use are phased in.

I hear ya and understand and sure believe there will be people on the dumb ass train but I also believe, overall, that lives will be saved, injuries will be reduced and property damage will go down once it's in broad use. Maybe not just for the owner of the vehicle but, also those of us on the road around them.

Beyond the drunk and otherwise, for whatever reason, impaired look at the collateral benefits. Imagine being handicap...blind for instance...once vehicles are fully autonomous, the blind (and others) will be more independent (huge quality of life improvement).

With that I also don't think we will meet phase 5 of the fully autonomous vehicle (without steering wheels, brake & gas peddles ect) for years maybe even a few decades+. And the cost? I can't see vehicles not having several redundant systems once all the automatic stuff becomes the norm.

Lets not forget there is still no uniform law/rule/criteria across even the USoA (at this time states have decided to regulate only within their own boarder instead of figuring it out as a group) let alone other markets making implementation even more of a challenge for manufacturers.

 

Good post. I agree with most of it with one exception. I do not think fully autonomous vehicles will ever be the norm. Not in our lifetime. I believe people will always want to drive and have control. I believe the autonomous vehicle will go the way of the 'hovercraft' we were promises in the 80s and 90s...

Just my opinion of course and I do like your post.

 

The problem is not the saftey features it's the idiots that rely on them.

 

This person said it correctly " ...I'll just pay attention and drive...." that in itself makes the driver/vehicle safer by paying attention and driving..... If the Safety Sense annoys some enough to actually pay attention then it has done a secondary benefit for safety.

Problem is you can't fix Stupid!

 

That’s the worst feature of the system, IMO.

WAAAAY too aggressive with slowing down and speeding up, and the following distance is way too far (even at the closest setting). It follows far enough that there’s enough space for someone to slide in front of you, further exaggerating the aggressive deceleration tendencies.

 

Toyota’s safety system has a long way to go before being up to par with other high end vehicles. My wife’s 2016 Volvo XC90 has it figured out. It legitimately reduces fatigue on long drives. It can completely take over when in stop and go traffic, up to (I believe) 32 mph. The lane keep assist is an amazing tool.

Those that think TSS is a nanny system just haven’t experienced anything like what it should be.

 

I found out the other night the forward radar wouldn't let me pull into the car wash with the underbody jets spraying in front of the truck! lol What a PITA.

 

What a joke. I wish this crap was optional, or at least only standard on the high end models.

 

I agree with you there TFly.
The system on our 2012 Volvo XC60 is miles ahead of the Toyota system. The Volvo is so smooth you don't notice that the vehicle has slowed down behind another car until other people start whizzing by. Cruise control down to zero is fantastic in stop and go.
The Tacoma, on the other hand, zooms up behind - slams on the brakes - then guns it to keep up before finally figuring out what speed to stay at. Quite primitive...and quite disappointing in something that is 6 years newer.

 

Disconnected TSS, lane assist and BSM on my 2018 Taco and it's been silent ever since. No more nanny noises and I love it. Besides it's not all that reliable anyway. I like to drive old school....with my own senses.

 

The force is strong with this one

 

How did you disconnect it? I thought disconnecting it would throw off a bunch of warnings.

I have to agree...I had a 2018 S90 and the Toyota implementation is gimped in comparison.

 

I thought it would as well but I disconnected it behind the grill to put in a light bar and when i powered up the truck to check the lightbar I had no warnings. I also put on a Metal Tech rear bumper which requires removing the BSM from the factory bumper...again no issues.