Diesel finally coming in 3rd gen ....

Conspicuous consumption? Further thinking required. I always felt the overhyped diesel trend was part backlash for the Prius and part over masculinization of what is currently considered masculine. Not so much speed as “how much shit COULD you pull”

 

Yes, provided it came with a manual transmission

 

This is so true! It doesn’t get that cold here but I remember freezing as a kid trying to get the diesels to get warmed up enough to start in 10 degree cold.

 

Nothing sucks more than finishing work and car won't start cause it's so fucking cold. With no place to plug in, it really sucked

 

I feel like we can all agree that:
A. Diesel engine (most likely) won’t be an option.
B. If it did, the cost and maintenance would outweigh the cool factor?/towing?/rolling coal?
C. Though it is ways away, electric powered transportation is going to be the new thing.

 

As someone who has owned diesels for over 31 years, I find some of the comments amusing.

1. DEF costs are negligible. I put a $16 of it in every 3.5k miles.

2. My 2016 cummins gets better mileage than my Tacoma.

3. Outside of the dark period of time when manufacturers attempted to meet emission standards without SCR, the emission systems are getting steadily more reliable. Future systems will be less complex and more efficient.

4. They tow and haul better. Period.

5. Many of the HD applications will run forever without a major tear down. I regularly run close to 300k miles without a problem.

6. The Cummins is surprisingly easy to wrench on. The scorpion, vm motori and big dmaxes.....less so.

7. The effect of diesel gate is negligible for those of us who tow and haul. VW makes a shitty product and their attempt to meet high mileage goals with no SCR only fooled those who know nothing about diesels.

Having said that, I still question why anyone feels that this would be an attractive option in a Tacoma....or a land cruiser.

 

Better shifting, responsive low end torque and more responsive throttle overall

 

I guess I could think about how good throttle response was coming off the line as a Chevy Aveo passes me on the way up the on ramp onto the freeway.

 

Toyota makes a Yaris diesel in Europe that gets 80 mpg.

Just saying

 

That’s what the sensible people in the thread are pointing out. There is a platform that works for a diesel engine. Tacoma is not it.

 

Lol. Maybe they can bring back the scary torque monster 4.0.....

Handful of sensible people....but more people who are getting a hard on for something they have no comprehension of.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. They better never put a diesel in a Tacoma....TW would implode.

 

I cannot imagine anyone referring to the 4.0 as some scary torque monster.

 

What I liked about that engine??? Linear as line of sight. Engine response seemed directly proportional to pedal input. It was great from about 1500 to 3500 rpm. It started wrapping out around 4500-5000 rpm and started making as much noise as acceleration. In my FJ at least.

 

I liked how it felt for the most part too, could be cruising along 50 - 55 mph in 6th gear come to a hill and simply roll into the throttle and climb right up.

 

Only a internet warrior would think there is any value in a diesel option. The fuel is nothing more than stored energy just like gasoline and means nothing more than an engine option that will cost you more and net you nothing. Diesel benefited for years by not having emission standards applied in the same way a gas engine was. Now with all the crap they have to put on a diesel and into the refinement of the fuel, you are at the same spot power and economy wise as a gas engine, but with more expensive fuel that is harder to find and you have to buy additional fluid that does nothing for power or economy.

 

We read the same posts my friend.....the 4.0 is full of torquey goodness. It's a TRUCK engine dammit!

 

He kept having electrical problems and then I think an emission issue. His complaint was that he wasn’t sure how often it would be in the shop, and when it was it was there for a long time, and that it was looking like the emissions related systems would be a long term maintenance hassle. Other cons were that it really didn’t tow well enough in the mountains to make up for the high tech issues. It’s not a simple truck, plan on shop time, expensive parts and more expensive general maintenance than the gassers. He ended up trading it in for a Tundra. He had to go all big brother on me.

 

AlabamaBlackSnake may be many things...but a 3rd gen fanboy he is not.

At a certain point, the emissions technology will become more advanced...look the emissions tech has improved steadily since 2007.5 or so. The next gen emissions will be more and more simplified. But in the end, With regards to passenger cars and light duty trucks this is really a moot point.

Too much fake news with diesel. The fear of DEF is one. The complexity and the reliability of the emissions systems is another.

The last is that it has a useful application in a mid sized or light duty truck. Oh - and that the engines themselves are somehow more reliable. That generally holds true for the old school big displacement applications. It rarely has held true for small displacement car and truck diesels.

 

The facts are the facts. There is no fake news. Diesel once forced to comply with the same emissions standards as a gasoline engine offers zero benefits. All the crap that is added to make them complaint erodes the advantage they once had. There is no fear of DEF. You have to buy it and it adds zero MPG. The addition of complexity and reliability of emissions isn't a fear, they steal power. Similar features were added to gasoline engines had the same effect.

Please all knowing diesel guru, tell me why I would want to pay more for a power plant that will cost me more and yield me nothing?

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/major-german-cities-allowed-to-ban-older-diesel-vehicles-1519737230