Diesel finally coming in 3rd gen ....

Ya oil changes are a bit more. My 06 Jetta TDI oil changes are around $110CAD
Think the taco is around $65?

And on the towing note it's not all about power but how the frame is etc.
So the capacity might be close due to braking, frame etc but how the engine handles towing that will be significantly different.

Tow a 5th wheel with a hemi then Cummins you'd notice a huge difference in acceleration and what not.

 

Most diesels don't actually get better mpg in the truck/commercial vehicle aspect .It's just better towing.

 

I manage a fleet of 25 semi’s that run 24/7. Y’all can keep your diesel option.


Side note: there has been massive improvements in the last couple years but there’s still a lot of issues.

 

Def/dpf/egr ruins reliability/performance/longevity of diesel cars/trucks

 

Wow I never knew that

 

you always claim OTHERS are the emotionally invested ones. I think you’re projecting. Some of us ACTUALLY deal in diesel. Diesel just won’t compliment the Tacoma, it’s not a better option.

 

I help maintain a fleet of 160 units comprised of Detroit diesel series 60s and DD15s, from DDEC 3 up. EGR to SCR. As well as Cummins and Volvo that take up about 1/3 of the total number. I am completely with you.

 

Dunno why all the hate towards diesel Taco. Yall do realize that in other parts of the world Diesel Hilux have been around over 10 years. I've owned/driven my X5 for over 7 years now incl hiking/camping and annual 600miles road trip from Sacramento to Oregon once a year.

Getting 25mpg on average and still can make it from Sac to Portland, Oregon on a single tank of diesel. On highway, I easily get 30mpg with a lighter foot. It's basically the gas mileage of a 4 cyl with the torque of a V8 engine. I've had some issues with the electronics but the oil burner itself has been trouble free for over 80k miles.
And out of the 3 trims offered on the X5 back then, the diesel is the LEAST maintenance and highest resale value plus reliability.

My brother in Aussie has owned 2 gens of diesel Hilux and owns a farm up in the mountains and both are his daily drivers for over 10 years. To each his own, I guess.

 

The problem is the diesels made for here are not the same for over there

 

My X5 is made here ...lol. On our bimmerfest forums, there are some diesel owners with over 150k miles without a single issue. Just saying.

 

Different though .You're talking German diesel.

I was referring to Hilux btw .

 

These emission systems require the use of ultra low sulfur diesel fuel. Diesel fuel that has more sulfur content tends to cause clogging issues with the DPF. This requires more frequent regens to clear the filter. If the system cannot complete a burn off, the DPF may clog putting the vehicle in limp mode.

The early DEF systems were extremely sensitive to DEF quality...as DEF degrades rapidly in some temperature conditions (or outright freezes in others). GM was having still having occasional DEF issues in many of the LML Dmaxes in 2014.

I have no experience with the new Mercedes diesels. We looked at the GLK a few years ago - after they had added the DEF systems - and the dealer mechanic told me to run , not walk, away from the idea. Mercedes, BMW, Chevy, Fords and the clean diesel VWs and Audis all ran similar variants of the Bosch CP4.X high pressure fuel pump which was notorious for having cam roller issues directly related to the low lubricity of American diesel fuel. This caused markedly increased failure rates in diesels using this HPFP.

The problem is that when the HPFP would fail, it would throw shrapnel into the fuel system, destroying various common rail components, including the fuel lines and in some cases the injectors. The average repair bill on the VW TDIs was in the low 5 figures.

This was a big issue in 2011 and 2012 and my wife's TDI ultimately suffered from it. I stopped following the issue when we sold it back to VW.

If you're planning on taking that future sprinter to any place that does not have our mandated emission systems, I would recommend staying with a gasser...

 

The don't have our EPA mandated emissions systems on them. The hate is not towards the diesel per se, but the complex components bolted to it to reduce emissions. The EGR and DPF shorten the life span of these motors and burden the owners with increased maintenance intervals and costs.

 

The DPF and EGR certainly have negative impacts to engine longevity and performance. The DEF is an after treatment and does not impact the longevity of the engine...but admittedly adds maintenance complexity with many early systems being prone to failure.

Its important to note this because the next wave of diesels will do away with EGR and DPF and focus on less complex after treatment in the exhaust stream. If those new systems prove to be reliable, it could slowly begin to repair the damage done to the reputation of diesel engines over the last ten years.

 

My 2016 Cummins (non -deleted) will get 21 to 22 mpg driving on the highway (from Idaho to Norcal). I get an average of 17.8 mixed. I average about 16 towing our 5th wheel.

My buddy's tundra gets about 10 mpg towing a much lighter TT. He cannot get close to my highway mpg.

My old man's 3.5 ecoboost gets about the same as a tundra towing a 27' TT. His highway MPG is about the same as mine. Maybe ever so slightly better.

 

I get the potential fuel economy gains, but do they result in an actual monetary savings with the generally higher cost of diesel fuel compared to typical 87 octane E10?

Why haven't those that want a diesel so badly bought the Colorado with it?

 

Ya when it comes to towing it's different but otherwise it's not like a massive savings on fuel like some think.

Some seem to think diesel means they'll be getting 35+mpg

 

Well, in passenger cars, 35 mpg+ in a diesel is very real. But I agree, not in HD or light duty trucks. Mold 5.9 cummins with no smog on it could barely get 23 going downhill with a tailwind.

Let's do a fun comparison. Here's two pictures from my 2016 Ram Cummins Crew Cab 4x4. One is the current tank of fuel (18.7 MPG). The other is the last 12,034 miles (18.2 MPG). My hand calc numbers are slightly higher.

Type of miles is a mix. My commute is 23 miles one way. In the morning, no traffic. Coming home, stop and go. There a re couple of long trips in those past 12K miles, some running around town and some serious idling.

Diesel fuel where I live can vary in cost. Some months it's the cost of 87 octane, other months 89.






Now if I go to Fuelly and search on the 2018 Ford F150 Crew Cab with the 3.5L Eco-Boost , the average MPG I'm getting is 16.8 MPG. In 2016 and 2017 it's showing 16.2.

So, yes, diesel numbers are not dramatically higher. But comparing displacement (6.7 vs 3.5), horsepower ( 385 vs. 375) and torque (900 vs 470), I'd say that there are still advantages. I mean, shit, when a HD truck weighing 7400 pounds can get better fuel economy than a light duty truck weighing 4900 pounds I'd say that's pretty remarkable.

 

not as easy to work on as a gas powered Toyota, spark plugs every 30k miles,oil change every 10k miles, brake shoes that will last 70k miles with easy replace for the front pads pull 4 pins ur done, and it runs on cheaper widely available gas, and best of all they start right up when the temp dips below freezing. without putting additives in the gas tank or an engine block heater to plug/unplug every morning.

 

60k on 3rd Gen Spark plugs