Anyone rock crawl a 3rd gen?

The appropriate setup will make it something different than what a Tacoma is. SFA, 4:1 reduction, departure/approach angles, selectable lockers (which are far superior to crawl-mode). You will radically change the tacoma to be able to do what a stock Rubicon can do right off the dealer lot.

If you are bent on having a Toyota to out-wheel a Jeep, stick to 2nd or 3rd gen pickup with SAS.

Sorry, but you are making an emotional argument that is not based in reality.

To be clear, it will reaquire a "well modified" Tacoma to be on par with a stock Jeep. You are the only one who does not see how irrational your argument is.

 

You can wheel a taco. Most people on here that rock crawl the tacos are on easy trails despite what they say or even show in photos. I wheeled the piss out my JK and it'll go in 2wd most places I have to go into 4wd D/T the taco wheelbase and the IFS. 10G into a JK and it'll go most everywhere outside of buggy trails. 10G in a taco and you're still building. Its not a rock crawler, But will do blues at best. Great for a runner or a overland vehicle. As a crawler GTFO of here. 1k you can get a winch, front back bumpers and sliders on a JK and you can stuff 35's stock on them. 1k you can get your choice of one for the taco. I've had and have both and the Jeep is unbeatable offroad and easy to fix on the trail unlike all the goings on, on the Taco drive train and all the digital stuff versus manual on ther jeep. The taco is not a crawler and when I here it is, I laugh. You can put lipstick on a pig, buts still a pig.

 

Physics backs up my statement, Sir.

Jeeps are shorter, narrower, SUPERIOR approach, departure and break over angles. Front locking diff.

Stock vs stock Jeeps MURKS tacomas with equal driver when it comes to rock crawling / off roading.

Modded vs modded Jeep still MURKS the taco.

This is not my opinion; this is factual info.

 

Toyota reliability goes right out the window when you either 1) start 'wheeling the piss out of it, or 2) start cutting the hell out of it.

 

I’m pretty sure a Jeep can go anywhere a tacoma can when it comes to rockcrawling... unless you’re going across a gap that actually needs a longer wheelbase to cross, but that’s very hypothetical.

 

Fantastic photos!

No doubt a tacoma can get to some rough places (especially a properly geared one).

Some of us are just saying that a jeep just happens to out do the taco in the rock crawling department.

Just like many of us also understand that there are area in which the tacoma is superior. Such as carrying gear, etc.

 

Pot, meet kettle. You havent provided factual anything to say a Tacoma can out-wheel a Jeep.

What it sounds like you're saying is an idiot in a jeep who spends 15k at 4wheelparts on chrome rims, step bars (not sliders), bumpers and light bars will get outwheeled by Big Mike at marlin crawler, who has experience building capable toyota crawlers and knows where to spend the money on a vehicle to do rock crawling.

I had a toyota crawler, I hate JK idiots, but If I wanted to do more rock crawling, I would have bought a jeep. I like going on trips in a vehicle that doesnt handle like shit and fall apart so I bought a Tacoma.

 

Exactly. I will never pretend my truck can out crawl a jeep with the same amount of money in it, but to say that a tacoma is useless for rock crawling, like some people in this thread seem to believe, is false

 

can you put that marlin crawler on an AT?

 

Incorrect. The Toyota engine is still a far more reliable powerplant. Unless you did something to make it less so.

 

They are pretty capable trucks. This is the golden crack a couple months back. I had a 2 door wrangler for a long time and there is no doubt the wrangler is a lot better for this kind of stuff, but my truck was also able to hold all of my stuff for this trip. I would have had the wrangler stuffed to the roof and still not have been able to take everything I did in my taco.

 

I’m not arguing that. But what good is a reliable engine when the rest of the rig can’t keep up? ‘Wheel any vehicle hard enough and you’ll agree with me.

 

Yes, as long as you have the 4cyl. Don't think they make one for the new v6 automatic yet.

 

Well, this has escalated... For what it's worth, this whole debate is pseudoscience, there's no facts here by anyone. We're just arguing opinions. Backing up an opinion doesn't have to require facts but maybe some key points to support your argument would be nice. Only a couple people have done that.

Since we're gonna get into it, let's introduce some facts. You guys say jeeps are better because they're narrower, shorter wheel base, front locker... ... Let's look at some of the best rock crawlers in the world: KOH buggies. They're in the neighborhood of 110-120" wheelbase, ~85" WMS, and weighs around 5000lbs. I only state this to define very roughly what a world wide proven rock crawler is.

Jeeps are narrower than that and have a shorter wheel base. Tacomas are a little longer and still a narrower wheel base. So neither are a perfect platform for rock crawling. However, we can get both vehicles as close as we can with enough money. Give the jeep some bolt on goodies and big wheels and it's a very capable rig. Give the Tacoma a solid axle with good articulation and better gearing (crawl box), and it's going to compete with the jeeps any day.

Width of the vehicles aren't too much of a factor since the width can add stability or make it harder to get through a narrow passage so there's a plus and a minus there. That doesn't make a built Tacoma less effective, just better at some areas and worse at others.

My whole point is that a solid axle setup up front would be roughly ~10k if done right and crawl box ~3k. That's less than 15k that I mentioned. Those two things will make the Tacoma go places the jeep will go.

 

you just answered your own question right there. The fact that you have to dump a shit ton more money into a Tacoma to make it as capable as a jeep with some bolt ons and 35s clearly shows the jeep platform is way more capable as a rock crawler.

 

What was my question?

Just making a statement that with a little bit of money the Tacoma is just as capable as a Jeep. As stated before, in stock form a Jeep is more capable than a Tacoma. There's no argument there. But a Tacoma is ~$35,000 and a Rubicon is ~$40,000. Put 5k into a Jeep with larger tires and long arm suspension and you're at 45k. Put 15k into the Tacoma to make it as capable as the jeeps and you're at 50k. A whole 5k difference between these vehicles.

 

It just depends on the trails. There are trails that even Jeeps can't go unless extremely built and at that point they aren't even Jeeps anymore. There are almost no trails in Colorado that a Jeep can go that an equally built 4runner or Tacoma can't do. There are LCs, 4runners and Tacomas that run Carnage Canyon. There are LC', 4runners and Tacomas running the Rubicon and more.

The places a Jeep can go over any Toyota is in the 1% club. They may not take the exact same line but they will get there.

It's not that expensive to to make a Tacoma capable either or as capable as a Jeep. I wheel with Jeeps on 38s and take my Taco on stock tires, the same places as Jeeps on 35s

You don't even need to put that much into it to make it as capable. Front locker, Tacobox and cheap lift is only 5k.

 

What have I started...

 

Well what happens is this misconception about what a vehicles true capability is and what the true cost is. The reality is youre not going to wheel a Brand new Rubicon in carnage canyon just as you wouldnt wheel a brand new Tacoma there. Has nothing to do with whether which is more capable.

No more expensive than a Jeep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofi9ambRpqM

 

You've got enough knowledge to get into trouble, not enough to prove your point.

A KOH buggy is NOT an ideal rock crawler. It's a compromise. They have 5-900hp engines with enough suspension to monster truck over obstacles, not crawl. They've been widened, lengthened and lowered compared to a rock crawler to make up time in the desert. They've added IFS (Near half the field now) and IRS (Basically only Cody Wagner) to carry near Trophy truck speeds in the desert sections. The last time a rock crawler did well in KOH was when Shannon won in his moon buggy on airshock bypasses like 7 years ago.

A jeep rubicon and a TRD OR tacoma are similarly priced. Taco has a rear locker and some wimpy skids. A Jeep comes with locking diffs, auto-disconnect swaybars, bigger tires, and a 4:1 tcase. You can bolt on new fenders, rock sliders and tires for about 3k and wheel half the trails in the hammers with minimal issue. To do the same thing with a tacoma, you needs a geared and locked solid axle, associated axle parts and fab work to get it in there, bumpers, sliders, a bed bob, a crawl box setup and even then, you'll struggle to go where that jeep could.

We all love Tacomas, but we know what they're good at, and true rock crawling is not one of them.