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fathomblue · Nov 10, 2018

Bluegrass Taco said: ↑

Huh?
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Casper66 said: ↑

The election is over so he’s calling for everybody to take down all the political signs
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Exactly. There aren't any left up in my neighborhood but I just made a trip into town for supplies and was surprised to see how many were still up.

I know it's not really that big of a deal, just one of my personal pet peeves.

CVYota · Nov 10, 2018

Taco-Grinder said: ↑

Ok ,,,ok
Back to what you all do best,,,, FOOD
We got an instant pot,,well the Crock Pot brand. First time usin it. Making a beef roast, 2 1/2 pounder. How long should I set the timer for. I'm asking you all because I know I will get an Adult answer
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Adult answer

I always like the med heat for 8 hours. Keep the liquids up and add lots of potatoes and veggies. I love a good crockpot stew (Lamb is better)
With some good, crusty French bread.
And a dark beer.

Followed buy a few trouser coughs

Sorry forgot the adult part

MTgirl · Nov 10, 2018

Politics?!?!? Do I hear politics?!

CVYota · Nov 10, 2018

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For the few of you talking about 4Runners, here is what I wrote awhile back. The Tacoma I first got had... problems. So much so Toyota and my dealer figured out how to give me a new one (late December 2017) without me losing my shirt in the process. I had an Inferno, now I have the exact copy ( minus problems) in Grey. I will have around 32K on the new one by December of this year with no issues.
Anyway, here it is. Hope this helps a few of you but, you being on this earth for 50+ years you know quite a bit more than the youngsters.

5th Gen 4Runner versus the 3rd Gen Tacoma – Who wins?
This article compares a 4WD 4Runner SR5 against the 4WD Tacoma TRD Sport Double Cab short box. There are options that can be had with either model that will enhance the vehicle but, for this comparison, let’s just keep it simple. Also, unless it is fact, everything is my opinion and *gasp* you might not agree!
So you have already decided that options such as minivans and CUVs, even though they are much more practical and efficient, bore you. You are an enthusiast that is either going or dreaming of going off road dammit! You want comparative highway comfort and the ability to go off road! You also want the durability and reliability that Toyota offers, not to mention the best residual value after three years out of any vehicle! Problem is, you have narrowed your choices down to two: The 3rd gen Tacoma and the 5th Gen 4Runner and you just can’t make up your mind. Well, hopefully the following article will help you decide.

Pro Tip #1:
No matter what vehicle you decide to get, don’t let the internet forums decide for you! Actually, the internet forums are probably the WORST place you can go to glean any meaningful information. Sure, if you are discussing mods, colors and tires, this is the place to do so. If you truly want an unbiased opinion or you need technical help such as warranty or such, go to people like the dealer or directly to Toyota proper. If you want reviews, go to Edmunds or Car and Driver. That is their job and they are much better at it than a forum guy, including me. You see, it seems like whenever somebody buys a vehicle, something snaps and, even though they are an Ancient Latin teacher in real life, buying that vehicle automatically makes them an expert in every facet of that vehicle. They suddenly know about transmissions, gear ratios, extended travel, tires and efficiency. Never mind they only learned it on Google a few minutes ago lol. They then go to the forum and expound on their (lack of) knowledge. Truth is, it’s hard to separate the bullshit from the truth on forums. Also on forums, you have to deal with the very real “I just spent a lot of money on this thing so it must be great” bias. When people buy something, especially if they spend a lot of money on it, very seldom will they trash the product. It’s almost like a Placebo effect. No lie, I have read where guys have put “E” rated tires on their vehicle, pumped them up to 60 psi, not added an ounce of weight to the truck and raved about how much smoother their ride is now! Really? Of course not. They just don’t want people to know they just dropped $1200 on tires that ride like a steel locomotive wheel and they suck. They somehow convince themselves that, “I just spent $1200, the ride must be better!” People do this with vehicles a LOT. So, stick with the pros on the reviews and stick with the dealers and Toyota on the issues. You will be glad you did!

Full Disclosure:
I went to the dealership about six weeks ago because the owner called me. They had just gotten in a new Land Cruiser. We had talked about the LC many times and I mentioned that I eventually could be interested in buying one. Well, I went and drove it. It is everything that the 4Runner aspires to be when it grows up! I won’t bore you with the LC’s attributes but suffice to say they were many. I went home and, after a few beers, decided to take a hard look at where I was at this point in my life. This also was the beginning of this story but I digress. I started asking myself questions: Did I truly want to get rid of my 4Runner? Did I really want to spend $80K+ on a vehicle to drive? I mean, two weeks before I had 10 five gallon buckets filled with gravel in my 4runner. Did I want to do that with the LC? So, after another beer or two, I REALLY took a deep dive into my life. My wife is retired, my kids are grown, I live outside, either on the mountain bike or in the woods on the trails. I still need a rugged 4WD because my job sometimes takes me out in the middle of nowhere. I live where we get feet of snow every year and there is no level ground. I still do a lot of wood work and enjoy working out in the yard. I came to the conclusion that, if I traded for anything, I needed a truck. I drove the Tundra a few years ago and that is just too… much for what I needed. So the next day, I went back to the dealer and traded for a Tacoma. That’s what happened with me. Now, before reading any further, you dear reader, need to ask yourself one basic question:

Do I Haul People or Do I Haul Stuff?
This is the most important question you should ask yourself before deciding on a 4Runner or a Tacoma. If you haul more than two people on a regular occasion, get a 4Runner and never look back. If you only haul yourself and one other person and you haul a lot of stuff, then look at a Tacoma. Yes, you can haul four adults in the Tacoma. It won’t be very comfortable for the people in the back though. Yes, only two people can ride in the 4Runner but then the back seat is wasted space, unless you fold them down.
Hands down, the 4Runner wins if you haul more than two people very often for any distance. The Tacoma does just fine with two people, maybe three adults for an hour or so. If I had to drive any distance regularly with four adults I would NOT get the Tacoma. So, if you are gonna haul people, quit reading and enjoy the 4Runner!

So What Did I Get?
I now own a 2017 4WD Tacoma. It has a 3.5L V6, six speed manual transmission and a short bed. I got the TRD Sport trim with no sunroof or technology package. I did get Entune and navigation. The color is Inferno. I also purchased the TRD Grille, the Toyota OEM Bed cover, Toyota bed extender and a generic bed mat. I have installed Vent Visors. That’s pretty much it. As of this minute I have put 5,342 miles on it in around a month and a half. The longest trip so far has put me in the driver’s seat for 12 hours. I think this qualifies me to at least state my opinion on the Tacoma.

Let’s Talk Apples to (Oranges, Spiders, Helmets) Quality
One of the many, many things that drives me crazy is when people decide to expound on quality. After reading or hearing what they have to say, I don’t think they would know quality if it bit them on the ass. People try to compare the 4Runner “quality” with the Tacoma “quality.” Why not compare the quality of your couch to the quality of your yard? It’s about the same comparison, really. Now, you could compare the quality of the 4Runner’s door panels to the Tacoma’s door panels. Compare the carpet or the glass. If you break it out, you can compare the individual quality of components, be it material spec or design. You cannot compare the “quality” of the whole vehicle, simply because the vehicles are not the same. You can compare the “luxury” of the vehicles and you can compare the fit and finish of the vehicles, but overall quality comparison will never tell the story. The 4Runner is definitely more luxurious.
The quality of the 4Runner is very good. The quality of the Tacoma is very good. They are also very different! Most of you have 4Runners so you know how they are. You know how you feel when you get in, how you feel when you drive it, how you feel when you wash it. Well, with the Tacoma, it is a different feeling. When you get in, you immediately know you are in a truck. This is extremely hard to describe, but it is an almost visceral feeling. It is a tad bit raw, a tad bit edgy. When you drive it, at least for me when going over a bump, I know I am in a truck simply because of that instant body/suspension flex you only get when you drive a truck. Bottom line, both are quality but, taken as a whole, both are very different. I’m pretty sure the Toyota engineers worked really hard to give the owner a “trucky” feel and they did a good job. It rides fine, actually smoother than my 4Runner TE with KDSS, but it is different somehow. The fit and finish is very good on both vehicles. The interior material is comparable between the two vehicles. Both are quality but both are different. It also does not help that the models between the 4Runner and the Tacoma are different. For example, they both offer SR5’s but what makes up a SR5 with a 4Runner is not what makes up the SR5 in a Tacoma. Different seat materials, different Entune, different options, etc.

The Important Part – The 3.5L Engine
So everyone is all worried that the Tacoma 3.5L engine is going to replace the 4.0 4Runner engine. I would not be worried at all guys. The HP and torque are basically the same when comparing the 4Runner to the Tacoma. I have a manual transmission but I did do an extensive test drive in an AT Tacoma. Guess what… in order to make it go, you have to push the accelerator pedal. In the 4Runner, in order to make it go, you have to push the accelerator. What’s the difference? About 7/10ths of a second from 0-60. The Tacoma is a bit quicker. When I test drove, especially up the hills, the Tacoma did indeed change gears rather often. In the 4Runner, it also changed gears quite often. Now, in my manual transmission, it does not need to be changed like the automatics change. There is a button in the Tacoma automatics, the ECT button that will minimize the shifting. Also, the aftermarket is HUGE for the Tacoma. Just thought I would throw that in there. After driving the 3.5 for 5K miles, and 400 miles was with a 3.5K trailer, I wouldn’t think twice about buying a 4Runner with this engine. Both my 4Runner and my Tacoma weigh within 100 lbs of each other. I am AVERAGING almost 22 mpg with the Tacoma. I averaged around 19.9 with the 4Runner. That is over 10% which is a really big deal!

Warts and All
You hear a lot about the problems the Tacoma and the 4Runner are having, especially if you read the forums. Tire shimmy. Vibration. Airbag. Rear diff. Water leaks. Recall this, problem that, blah blah blah. The Tacoma has had some issues. The 4Runner has had some issues. Right now there is a recall on 228,000 for possible rear diff weep or leak. Toyota only thinks about 1% of that number are affected but you gotta check them all. If you read about it on the forums though you would think the world is ending. It also had a few first year growing pains. Cam positioning sensor and a few other odds and ends. Mine? It’s working perfectly with no issues. Again, if I would have listened to those guys on TW I would have bought a Ford or something! I have been a member of this forum for six years and the problems I have had (squeaks, axle wrap, etc) from the 4Runner is about what I would expect to have from the Tacoma. No Takata airbag problem though! And compared to the rest of the automotive world? We have no problems!

Let’s Wrap This Up
There will always be detractors on both sides. There will be fanboys on both sides. I got a Tacoma because, right now at this point in my life, a smaller truck rather than a SUV fits my needs. I got a manual transmission because I just wanted it. Yes, the Tacoma has rear leaf springs and rear drum brakes. People say it like that’s a bad thing. Guess what – when I step on the brakes the truck slows down. When I step firmly on the brakes it slows down faster. Braking distance is comparable to other mid sized trucks. Drum brakes in the rear are no big deal. If it had drums all the way around there would be a problem. I have had a half ton of gravel in the back. The leaf springs did their job and kept the bumper from dragging. The engine goes just fine, the radio sounds good (so I can listen to my AM religious broadcasts – not) and the seats are comfortable to me. I didn’t get a sunroof on purpose because headroom. So far I really like the truck. It actually rides (and my wife concurs) better than the 4Runner on the interstate. We did 30 hours of driving in five days so we do have the seat time.
It seems like life, advertising, family and peer pressure is always pushing. You have to go faster, harder, stronger and longer, especially when you are younger and climbing the ladder. Well, the truth is, sometimes you can go sideways, slower or backwards and it’s OK. If you can afford it, get what you want and what will fit your needs the best. Haul lot of people and some stuff = 4Runner. Haul few people and lot of stuff = Tacoma. I think both are good vehicles. I don’t necessarily think buying the Tacoma is a step back from the 4Runner. It’s more a sideways step. They are truly two different vehicles with pros/cons to each. If I would have gotten the Land Cruiser it would have been a big step forward, but right now, I am fine and don’t know if I ever want to take that step. I’m not out to impress anyone any more. I have nothing left to prove. I am 55. I have a truck. After 5K miles, I truly feel that I could beat the piss out of this truck and it would still be just fine. Life is good.
Thanks for reading.
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Nice write up.

I was hoping for just a link

CVYota · Nov 10, 2018

MTgirl said: ↑

Politics?!?!? Do I hear politics?!
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Nope, were are talking about lawn decorations, like pink flamingos or gnomes or old political signs

Martin64 · Nov 10, 2018

MTgirl said: ↑

Politics?!?!? Do I hear politics?!
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No. Andy farted.

fathomblue · Nov 10, 2018

MTgirl said: ↑

Politics?!?!? Do I hear politics?!
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Absolutely not; I would not trash up the forum with political talk. I was talking about litter, which is what all those signs became after Tuesday.

Bluegrass Taco · Nov 10, 2018

Casper66 said: ↑

The election is over so he’s calling for everybody to take down all the political signs
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My "Huh" was for something else.

Tacoma Mike · Nov 10, 2018

fathomblue said: ↑

Hi guys and ladies. If I may be so bold I would like to insert a brief non-partisan rant here.

THE ELECTION IS OVER; TAKE DOWN YOUR DAMN SIGNS!

Phew, I feel better now. Carry on.
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What’s an election ?

Tacoma Mike · Nov 10, 2018

MTgirl said: ↑

Politics?!?!? Do I hear politics?!
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Unless you have text to speech....

No...

MTgirl · Nov 10, 2018

CVYota[OP] said: ↑

Nope, were are talking about lawn decorations, like pink flamingos or gnomes or old political signs
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carry on then...

Martin64 said: ↑

No. Andy farted.
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Ew! Someone open a window!

fathomblue said: ↑

Absolutely not; I would not trash up the forum with political talk. I was talking about litter, which is what all those signs became after Tuesday.
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I for one am just glad it's safe to watch TV again without the damn annoying commercials playing over and over. Signs are easier to ignore

Tacoma Mike said: ↑

Unless you have text to speech....

No...
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mmm...hmm...

fathomblue · Nov 10, 2018

Tacoma Mike said: ↑

What’s an election ?
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Well, it's... uh, no, better not. (*whisper* I think a mod may be watching.)

I don't want to get banned. Or worse, get smacked by @ImpulseRed008 . Again.

CVYota · Nov 10, 2018

Martin64 said: ↑

No. Andy farted.
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You know, I gave you a page of alternate words and you still went with that one.

US Marine · Nov 10, 2018

Afternoon Everyone !!!

I'm seeing brown hazy skies up here in the High Desert from the Woolsey Canyon fire that's over 110 miles away from me !!

Got a new neighbor that just moved in , just got done talking with him and he's a Marine Veteran and he's a former MARSOC !! .Was fun talking with him and sharing stories

Also got back from a local Military surplus store and got some new T shirts

Taco-Grinder · Nov 10, 2018

The results of my roast
Damm Good
Grocery store sell them pre marinated, it was called.
Burgundy Pepper Spoon Roast
1 1/2 hours

US Marine · Nov 10, 2018

Taco-Grinder said: ↑

The results of my roast
Damm Good
Grocery store sell them pre marinated, it was called.
Burgundy Pepper Spoon Roast
1 1/2 hours
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Taco-Grinder · Nov 10, 2018

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Sorry,

Martin64 · Nov 10, 2018

CVYota[OP] said: ↑

You know, I gave you a page of alternate words and you still went with that one.

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Too many choices

Taco Buggy · Nov 10, 2018

CVYota[OP] said: ↑

You know, I gave you a page of alternate words and you still went with that one.

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Okay, okay! Andy stepped on a duck!

Taco Buggy · Nov 10, 2018

Bluegrass Taco said: ↑

My "Huh" was for something else.
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