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Rectified my mistake

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by LRdefector, Nov 10, 2018.

  1. Nov 13, 2018 at 3:58 AM
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    HTeeAre

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    Ok wow, this just sounds to me like you can’t drive. I drive my 350z all the time in the rain. 287 crank hp is more than enough to spin the tires especially with an open diff! It is the base model so no ABS or TCS none of that. I never spin tires and I usually drive it a little past some peoples comfort zones. Throttle management. Your right foot is the main Traction control, if you want a faster take off you need more power. You’re basically wanting to take the little power the 2.7 has and make it all usable in the low rpms in first gear. That’s more power essentially as you’re wanting to stuff it all in the low rpms of your first gear.

    Or am I understanding this wrong?
     
  2. Nov 13, 2018 at 4:37 AM
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    Well, kinda...
    Let me put it this way: in the case of my 2.7, all i want is to eliminate the delay of signal that occurs, on a factory-specs truck, between the time one starts applying pressure on the accelerator pedal and the time acceleration actually starts happening. I understand (unless I didn’t do my homework right) the pedal commander achieves this objective.
    I don’t want more power for my 2.7. Actually, I don’t need more power for my 2.7. No towing for me, just occasionally moving lawn funiture back&forth from storage:D
    if I remember my theory of faster accelerating right, low-end torque number is what achieves faster 0-whatever times, rather than the amount of total hp numbers. Or regearing and/or running bigger tires (all these at the expense of mpg being thrown outta window)
    Of course i had to use throttle management on wet pavement! But don’t you hate it when you had to do that? I did. I never weecked a car in 26 yrs of driving,so hmmm, i’m thinkin’ that would make me at least an ok driver?;)
     
  3. Nov 13, 2018 at 4:54 AM
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    As a Navy aviation electrician and avionics technician, I've troubleshot, repaired, and replaced dozens of fly by wire systems in $70M military aircraft, so I am supremely confident that I understand the complexities of the factory throttle mapping of the accelerator pedal in our $40k trucks. I'm also an entrepreneur, so I understand how venture capitalism works, and in your context (pedal commander vs. unaware consumers), they are mutually exclusive factors. But please, for the sake of argument, present us with your reasoning as to how none of us understand how these concepts work.
     
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  4. Nov 13, 2018 at 4:59 AM
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    You're correct, and simply put, the pedal commander eliminates the initial signal delay when you first press the accelerator. Additionally, it provides a better, more precise signal output curve as opposed to the factory settings. I don't know how well this will translate to the 2.7L powerplant, but judging by your outlook and responses, this should achieve the desired effect.
     
  5. Nov 13, 2018 at 5:20 AM
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    Thx all for your input.
    Will post findings in a day or two.
     
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  6. Nov 13, 2018 at 8:47 AM
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    The delayed signal in throttle by wire is not a design flaw...it’s intentional by engineers to protect life, property and company profits because most drivers are stupid it’s really that simple.
     
  7. Nov 13, 2018 at 9:09 AM
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    I don't believe anyone here is claiming that it is a design flaw, in fact, it appears to be the complete opposite. It's also amazing that mankind was able to drive for all of those years with analog throttle cables instead of digital by-wire systems... If you don't believe that pedal commander works as advertised, then don't buy it, but don't sit on here and attack others who have bought it, have positive results, and are sharing it with other members. For instance, I don't have OV Tune and will not purchase it because of how it is installed in the ECU and how it magically 'unlocks' horsepower. Even then, it does not correct the pedal issue, but I'm not going into their thread flashing around pseudo-science about how it works and calling everyone who has it either delusional or a liar. I believe everyone who says that OV Tune has improved their truck. It's really that simple.

    Note: I won't believe anyone who says that the Tornado intake booster helped their vehicle. I have my limits...
     
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  8. Nov 13, 2018 at 10:20 AM
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    Not attacking anyone...people are just not aware of the liability even though it’s in plain sight...Pedal commander has a weasel clause in their literature which states “for off-road use only” which gets them off the hook. If your involved in a motor vehicle accident on a public roadway with that device in your vehicle your insurer can deny the claim and Insurance companies are all about mitigating losses. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to put your house and retirement at risk.
     
  9. Nov 13, 2018 at 11:00 AM
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    Digs hole...
    Looks in hole...
    Digs hole deeper...

    Their website does explicitly say that some of the products they offer are for off-road use only, but they are referring to their parent company, Vitalen Auto Performance, Inc, which offers aftermarket chips and tuning, including those for diesel engines. Neither my pedal commander box nor the literature inside states that it is intended for off-road use only. Additionally, for an insurer or warrantor to hold you or the product liable, the product would have to be deemed to have caused the issue. That’s how insurance and the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act works. So if you want to get on here and play internet lawyer, by all means, go ahead, and while I’m not endorsing or providing any sort of legal advice here, I at least have a criminal law degree.
     
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  10. Nov 13, 2018 at 11:20 AM
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  11. Nov 13, 2018 at 11:29 AM
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    Most of everything aftermarket these days will say "off road use only" I recently installed the pedal commander in my tacoma and my father's tacoma. Does it give the truck more horsepower? Not at all, however it does eliminate the lag tremendously.
     
  12. Nov 13, 2018 at 12:13 PM
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    Agreed. I did find their general disclaimer in the box. Still doesn't say 'off road use only', so that's a plus... 20181113_135556.jpg
     
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  13. Nov 13, 2018 at 1:25 PM
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    So much for waiting anxiously for my Pedal commander to arrive today! Mail it’s been delivered already around 3:30pm, but no sign of my package.:(
    Yesterday was marked as “delivered” in my Amazon list of orders. But yesterday there was no mail delivery, bc of Veterans day!:oops:So I contacted Amzon, they told me to wait until 7pm this evening (Tue), and if the package doesn’t surface by then, they will issue a refund. But I WANT THE PC!!! Don’t care about the refund! I’m boiling here...:annoyed:
     
  14. Nov 13, 2018 at 1:38 PM
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    What time does UPS or FedEx usually run by your home? Sometimes they switch to a local USPS carrier and deliver it with the mail.
     
  15. Nov 13, 2018 at 2:11 PM
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    does it affect gas mileage ? 300 bones to do the same thing as mashing your foot …
     
  16. Nov 13, 2018 at 2:24 PM
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    Mine is consistently running .5 MPG better since it's not falling flat on its face during slow acceleration situations. Keeping the throttle position sensor engaged, unlike the factory pedal does, allows the truck to stay in gear during instances of low speed/acceleration, especially in traffic or turns.
     
  17. Nov 13, 2018 at 2:42 PM
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    It just all depends how much your're mashing on the gas pedal, I didn't see much of a mpg difference since I left off when I get up to the speed limit and cruise.
    At first I was skeptical as well but they offer a 30 day money back if you don't like it so whats there to lose.
     
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    Keep us posted. I'm very interested in the Pedal Commander (or Sprint Booster) as well.

    :thumbsup:
     
  19. Nov 14, 2018 at 2:34 AM
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    I had packages delivered by independent contractors sometimes. I already bought, from Amazon alone, close to $2k in new parts for the past 1month or so. Never had a delivery problem! And, as the rules dictate, the first one I had to have a problem with was the one I was most anxious about receiving it. :oops:
    Going back to the ordering screen...:spending:
     
  20. Nov 14, 2018 at 2:35 AM
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    As soon as I will FINALLY receive it, sure!:oops:
     

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