Need an engine for my 2008

There's no way the crank is spinning 1/2" above the surface of the oil in the oil pan. If it did a small hill would whip up the oil.

If you double filled it you would have a problem.

How would removing the oil pan to check for debris on a used engine help him in any way?

It sounds like you are making things up.

 

Thats what i was getting to. I know all about oil foaming... but i just wanted to know the "additional amount" this guy is claiming would hurt a 1gr. In motorcycle world, some bikes will foam oil with just half a quart over..

 

Until someone actually did some real world tests then it is all speculation. By real world tests I meant actually scientific testing. The factory did quite a bit of that for putting the low and high marks on the dipstick. Yes I understand you can go less than that or more than that.

 

but apparently dealerships tend to over fill a 1gr and it blows them up.. according to a source on the previous page

 

If you believe everything on the internet. That's all that needs to be said.

 

Toyota training manual explains aeration.

 

Uhhh, no! Pull the upper and lower oil pans. Assemble them. Shim it up level on a work bench. Fill it with proper amount of oil or water, or whatever, we are just doing measurements. Then add a qt of extra liquid. Look at the level in the pan. Now, go back to your engine, look at how far below the block the crank reaches.... Go ahead and double fill yours.... I'm not talking out of my ass, I have personally done this! Have you?


Oh, "why would removing the oil pan tell you anything?" if you asked that question you don't need to be anywhere near an engine!

How else would you check for debris? Check pickup, scope bottom of cylinders for signs of leaking injector, take a peak at how dirty the bottom of the engine is (giving you a good idea how well it was maintains.... Etc!!!!

 

At first it was 1/2” above the full mark and later it’s double fill. Can you clarify? Maybe I misunderstood something.

 

Sharpish stated that you would only have an aeration issue if you double filled the engine with oil, meaning over filling the engine by 5-6 qts. Basically I was telling Sharpish, he can go ahead and double fill his and see what happens if he wants to.

See my previous post in regard to how much the oil level actually raises when over filled by ONE qt.


So, above 1/2" over full mark, you can start running into aeration issues. Or you could add 5 qts+ extra oil which according to Sharpish is fine and see what happens. I have never done it, I'm not that stupid, but with 5 extra qts of oil in the engine, basically the oil level would be right about at the bottom of the cylinders....

 

1/2" is like half a quart. I think toyota built a little more of a safety net into it than that.

Once again, pulling the oil pan on used engine that is already installed does nothing. If he finds metal, so what? The engine is installed, is he going to take it back out and tear it apart? I think not. He's going to forget about it and drive it and live his life until there's a problem. If he doesn't find metal he just wasted a weekend.

Dragging a magnet through the oil to find metal? LOL. Can you say oil filter?

 

And I didn't say double filling is fine. I said you would certainly have a problem on your hands.

People have double filled by accident and driven for a few days and the engine didn't explode.

Your other brilliant idea early in this thread was for him to take the engine he has just removed and replaced, rebuild it, remove the replacement engine, sell it, and put the rebuilt engine back into the truck. Im guessing he has better things to do; I know I do.

 

..... What the @+*$@+)(

Actually speechless!!!!

 

I'm not reassembling an engine and snake an endoscope for this to double check dipstick.

But I just put together an upper/lower oil pan on the bench. Filled with 6.5 qts. It read approx. 1" lower than the top of the upper oil pan.

1GR-FE on a stand...

Measured bottom of the block to bottom of crank range.


At 1 qt over filled, there is approx 1" from oil level to top of upper oil pan.

From bottom of block to low reach of crank there is between 3/4" and 1".


Take it for what it is worth.

 

Rrr aggravated me, bottom of block to to low on crank 24mm

 

Dude I don't need a Toyota training manual to explain aeration. I've owned well over 100 vehicles and have been a tech for 20 yrs. I also have raced circle track, had an outlaw 10.5 mustang, and an 1100 hp AWD Eclipse to boot. I think I know a little bit about what this stuff is. Also Engine Masters did a great show on this and making power.

My point was you are saying an exact 1/2" is what causes aeration well where is your scientific proof???? This is my point you have no proof without real world testing all it is is speculation.

 

Wow.

 

Someone with your in depth knowledge of engine design must also surely realize that when the truck is running (I.e. Crank spinning) half of the oil has been pumped out of the pan and is circulating inside the motor ......

 

Alright, here’s how we settle this. Dick measurements people!!!!!

That’s all this has turned into...

 

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