would you give up your guns?

iam from texas so they can take it from my cold fingers haha
plus i have to much money in them

 

I have a legitimate question.

I've been wondering where the majority of firearms used in criminal acts come from. Are they stolen from registered gun owners? Does a shop owner make some side money by letting a few fall off of a truck? Do they assemble them in basements from the remnants of discarded parts found over the course of several years?

It seems that they have to come from somewhere. And if all firearms are supposed to be registered, then how do criminals continually get ahold of them?

Yes, I realize this is a broad generalization, but as a responsible gun owner, I take extreme care to make sure my firearms a.) are used properly and with respect, and b.) do not fall into the hands of people who would do harm with them. I feel these are my duties in order to ensure the continued rights of myself and other Americans to responsibly keep arms.

My home was recently broken into while I was at work, and I was extremely grateful that I keep all of my ammunition and firearms locked in a safe bolted to the floor in the basement. I cannot imagine the guilt and sorrow I would feel if those weapons were to be used in a criminal act. All too often I see gun owners who do not take this responsibility seriously, and if/when their stolen weapons are used illegally, they feel no liability in that outcome.

 

for guns all you have to do is grind off the reg number then they cant track it,
class 3 stuff they track very carefuly if my silencers get stolen i have to contact the ATF

 

I see what you're saying, but this is missing the thrust of my argument.

What I'm really saying is this: Accidental firearm deaths are pretty rare and unlikely. Therefore, these rare and unlikely occurrences are poor reasons to get rid of firearms, tragic though they may be.

 

I do not know the statistics, but my understanding is that a great deal are "straw" purchases - somebody else buys a gun for you who is legally able to. This is clearly a problem, and I don't know how to fix it. I believe the penalty for knowingly allowing a straw purchase has been increased recently.

I'm wary of the conclusion that we should limit gun ownership, however. My suspicion is that straw purchases are simply the easiest method to obtain guns, and that if we were to outlaw legal gun ownership, criminals would simply find another source or switch to other weapon types.

 

I don't disagree. I just think it's important to remember that accidental deaths from firearms are still a result of that item fulfilling its designed purpose, and that while accidental firearm deaths are dramatically smaller in comparison to vehicular deaths -- there are also a dramatically smaller number people in possession of firearms than there are people who drive cars.

I completely agree. The only advantage of making firearms illegal is that it becomes infinitely easier to identify who is a criminal and who is not:

Gun Possession = Criminal.

Unfortunately, that takes away the rights of so many people who are responsible and respectful gun owners or potential owners. And since that is a basic American right, this outcome is essentially unfeasible.

So, the question becomes: How do you stop the leaks?

 

Raise the penalty until it is sufficiently high enough. I bet most people would stop speeding if the penalty were 10k fine and 30 days in jail with community service on top of it all.

BTW the gun vs cars argument is more valid if you substitute sports/muscle cars instead of ordinary cars.

500 hp and NOS on a vehicle means its used for racing

Street racing = illegal gun use
legal racing/collecting = responsible gun use/gun collecting

 

I'm actually a fan of certain ideas being kicked around that if a firearm purchased and registered by you is used in a criminal act, then you can be held liable for it -- whether it was stolen or not.

Obviously, this is a tricky issue, but I think that it would make those firearms owners and dealers who are less than secure with their weapons think twice about leaving them where they can be taken.

Of course, I'm sure there would be ways around all of this, too. Lawyers.

Also, Tiger, I see your point about the muscle cars/illegal guns from the standpoint of assumed risk, but I still never like those arguments. A muscle car isn't built with the purpose of destroying something. It's built to go fast.

 

What guns ???

 

I think requiring the owner to have a safe would be a possible step. Every responsible gun owner should have one anyway. but then by mandating a high priced one you essentially price low income citizens out of a self defense tool. leave it to politicians to do an end run around the 2nd amendment.

I still believe harsher penalties are the answer. Stop letting the guy who robbed the corner store out after 5 years in prison.

 

Anyone who feels the need to give up their guns to make the world a safer place, please feel free. And Kumbayah to you too. Don't bother asking me to follow your lead.

 

Talking with people who love guns about giving up their guns is like trying to argue with a religious person about god.

People with guns always give examples of how guns make them feel safer. They even go as far as to misinterpret the words that most rational people use trying to talk people out of owning weapons.

When rational people say: "It is ok to own a hunting rifle but it is not ok to own 6 guns in the house because children can get to them and someone may get shot and if you are being robbed you cant just ask a thief to "hold on" while you run upstairs to your side table, grab a gun, unlock it, run to the closet and unlock bullets then load the gun then fire at the thief. "

When gun owners hear the phrase all they hear is: "I had guns in my house for years and none of my children ever shot anyone, I grew up in a house with guns and my dad used to put a loaded shotgun in middle of the living room and look at me I am safe. If a thief wants to come through the door, I'll just shoot him"

Gun owners believe in their reasons so dearly that they completely disregard the fact that on any single day in any news outlet there is yet another report of someone getting "accidentally shot".

Guns cause violence and promote it. You own a gun for safe defense but have the same exact chance of being killed whether you do or do not have a gun. You have same exact chance of being robbed as people without guns. The only thing that is different is that people who own guns are more likely to use them then people without guns. You walk in on a cheating wife.. you start swinging fists.. or you can just run to your car and grab your weapon and shoot both of them. You are stuck in traffic and some road rage guy jumps out of his car and starts walking in your direction.. you shoot him in self defence. That guy may have just wanted to punch your face. Is one black eye worse then a possibility of spending 25 to life in jail? I dont know... I just try not to think about it. All I do know is that in most of the world people dont own guns (or more importantly they may own a hunting rifle but nothing else) and most of the world seems to be getting around quite fine without both second ammendment and the guns...

 

My question to anyone who hates personal ownership of firearms, and their desire to restrict my right - as reaffirmed this week by the SCOTUS - is this:

If you want me to give up that right, which one are are you willing to give up? The right to peaceably assemble? Right to air your grievances? The right to feel safe in your possessions? The right, as a woman, to vote? The right to be compensated for government acquisition of your land against your will? The right to be tried by a jury of your peers?

Which are you willing to give up? I never get an answer to these questions.

It is not just a simple question about whether you own a firearm or not, or whether you support that right and choice.

It is a simple statement about you only having the rights that you are willing to fight for. A cliche, yes......but if you do not stand tall for your rights then they will be taken away. One way or the other.

 

I don't even own a gun, but if they became illegal, I'd be the first outlaw!

 

American's love there guns I'm very happy I don't live in the USA but I still like to visit

 

OOOH-RAH Marine!!!! Lets see what they all think/do when all our rights are taken away!!!! These "gun ban" people have forgotten what this country was founded on, if it was for some "pro-gun" people we would be a British colony!!!
Total government ran gun control is exactly how Hitler did what he did!! No one but his Armies had guns and I think we all remember what he did/ordered done!!
Hey what you say we just stop (as military members) defending the rights of these stupid people!!?

 

Guns are inanimate objects. How can they 'cause violence and promote it'? People are violent. People have been violent and will be violent forever.
Your statement implies that alcohol causes drunk driving and cupcakes cause obesity. That's just plain ignorant.
People who want to commit violence WILL, no matter the mechanism.
England outlawed handguns and crime has risen ever since. Also: "Since 1998, the number of people injured by firearms in England and Wales increased by 110%" (source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/6372717.stm); "in late 2009 The Telegraph reported that gun crime had doubled in the last 10 years, with an increase in both firearms offenses and deaths."
People are stupid, irresponsible, violent, selfish, etc. So as long as you have people, you will have murder, rape, and other crimes, whether you make guns illegal or not.
If you take guns away from law-abiding citizens you ensure that only 2 groups have them: Criminals and the Military (which is run by a politician ).

edit: No offense to our soldiers! Our service men and women are a blessing. Just pointing out that the Commander-in-Chief is a lawyer and he's running the military, ultimately

 

I agree with what is in bold. But thats it. The point is we have the right to bare arms, taking it away is illegal. Look at all the things that have been taken where will it end? Not only that but there are tons of benefits of living in the USA just easier to list all the negatives. I take it Canada watches the news thus the reason for thinking removing our guns is good. Canada has an army does it not? Police? If not having weapons is so good why have those organizations?

 

and guns arent built to commit crimes either
and hydrocodone wasnt made to be abused as a drug...see the point?

 

if guns cause violence, do pencils misspell words? (someone may have said this already i didn't read through)