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New Ford Ranger mega thread

Discussion in 'General Automotive' started by dnlskier, Jul 7, 2017.

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Are you trading in your Tacoma for one?

  1. Hell yeah brother!

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  2. Hell no

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  1. Dec 15, 2018 at 6:31 AM
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    Capt Jrod

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    Every new ford comes with a puppy and a heated tailgate. That way your hands stay warm when pushing and you don't have to walk home alone...
     
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  2. Dec 15, 2018 at 6:32 AM
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    Probably should wait a while or lurk the Ford forums. Wouldnt be surprised if they dub the first gen the derp gen.
     
  3. Dec 15, 2018 at 6:35 AM
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    Turbos are literally a replacement for displacement
     
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  4. Dec 15, 2018 at 8:02 AM
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    Turbos suck.
     
  5. Dec 16, 2018 at 12:02 PM
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    Here is an article regarding the similarities and differences between the Focus RS and Ranger 2.3L turbo engines courtesy of Road and Track magazine:

    https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/detroit-auto-show/a15840269/ford-focus-rs-ranger-engine


    "Our first hint that it's based on the unit found in the Focus RS comes from the design of the block. That shows us that the Ranger motor employs a cross-drilled deck for cooling which is only found in the Focus RS at this time. The general idea is that coolant flows through the block below the bore bridge instead of across the top. Inside the block, the rotating assembly appears to be lifted straight from the Focus RS; it contains the forged crankshaft, forged connecting rods, and coated pistons found in the hot hatch.

    Cross-Drilled Deck
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    Ranger Engine rods and crank

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    Although the top is almost identical to the Focus RS block, the bottom has been modified and has a slightly different casting. The oil pump has been moved from its location beside the crank gear and now runs off the balance shafts in the oil pan. This move was likely done to make the front a little narrower in order to make space for the four-wheel drive components that will be used in the Ranger.

    Ranger oil cooler

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    The oil cooling system has also been upgraded with the addition of a new housing that includes a larger oil cooler and a filter that now points to the side instead of down towards the oil pan. This housing is novel since it also appears to be where the motor mount will connect to the engine.

    Ranger cylinder head and new fan mount

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    The oil pump move is not the only change to the front of the block as the harmonic balancer has also been changed. It now includes a provision for a wider front belt which will coincide with the belt-driven fan that will be installed on the Ranger. This is also apparent when you look a little higher up towards the cam gears where there is now a cast mount for the fan to attach to. The timing cover has been modified to allow for the fan mount and the removal of the oil pump below. The rest of the belt drive appears to be identical to the Focus with the water pump visible in the same 3 o’clock position on both engines.

    Front of the Ranger's engine

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    Moving up towards the cylinder head it is apparent that most of it was transferred over. The head casting and valvetrain components appear to be identical but a few external changes have been made. The valve cover shows some additional strengthening ribs on the front but is mostly the same. The direct injection pump is mounted in the same position on the left rear side of the head but the vacuum pump beside it on the Focus is gone. This pump is used to provide a vacuum backup for the brake booster on the other models and the unit may now be gone or relocated on the Ranger.

    Ranger EGR and direct injection pump

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    We now find an EGR cooler below the injection pump which has not been used on this size of EcoBoost motor in the past. The EGR system was likely implemented to assist with emissions by pumping hot air into the intake to richen up the fuel mixture as needed. The secondary benefit of EGR is that the warm air being pumped back in can also assist to prevent knock when the engine is under high load. The pipe that leads across the back of the head into the intake manifold appears to be the main change to the induction system there as the rest of the manifold appears to match what is found on the Mustang.

    Ranger turbo
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    Moving around to the other side of the head, we find the familiar three-port integrated exhaust manifold that leads into a twin-scroll turbocharger. Although we do not have exact specs on the turbocharger just yet, the inducer wheel appears to be slightly larger than the Mustang unit.


    Ranger's electronic active wastegate

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    We find another new piece in this area as this turbo is the first in the series to employ an electronic wastegate. The rest of the lineup uses a mechanical penumatic wastegate so this advancement should allow more granular control of boost pressure. This is important since the Ranger will likely be sold in high volume and small changes like this can help to improve fuel efficiency and emissions.

    Focus RS engine and Ranger engine

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    There are likely other smaller parts that may have slight changes, but the Ranger motor appears to share most of its components with the Focus RS while adding a few new parts. Based on what was shown for the mock-up and the data released by Ford so far, it appears that they might be shooting for a torque monster. I would not be surprised to see it exceeding the torque ratings of its competitors."
     
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  6. Dec 16, 2018 at 5:11 PM
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    Congrats... A turbo rollerskate motor in your truck!!! I'll keep my 4.0 2nd get thanks.
     
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  7. Dec 17, 2018 at 6:27 AM
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    https://jalopnik.com/ford-finally-issued-a-fix-for-the-failing-focus-rs-head-1822313028

    https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/ford-confirms-engine-issue-with-focus-rs-110168/

    https://www.focusrs.org/forum/9-focus-rs-discussions/57049-new-focus-rs-needs-new-engine.html

    https://www.focusrs.org/forum/9-foc...iled-leaking-head-gasket-resource-thread.html
     
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  8. Dec 17, 2018 at 2:04 PM
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    And from those threads it looks like Ford acknowledged the issue and was fixing and replacing engines for earlier models known with issues.

    That is pretty much Toyota did when it acknowledged early 3rd gen issues such as:

    5 recalls for:

    1. Brake Assist Vacuum Pump may Fail
    A sudden loss of braking assist can increase the risk of a crash.

    NHTSA Campaign Number: 18V211000


    2. Crank Position Sensor Malfunction may cause Stall
    An engine stall may increase the risk of a crash.

    NHTSA Campaign Number: 17V356000

    3. Rear Differential may Leak
    If the vehicle is operated with an insufficient amount of oil in the rear differential, the differential may seize and cause a loss of control, increasing the risk of a crash.

    NHTSA Campaign Number: 17V285000

    4. Incorrect Load Information on Label/FMVSS 110
    An incorrect load information label can result in the operator overloading the vehicle and increasing the risk of a crash.

    NHTSA Campaign Number: 17V831000

    5. The new recall from the Brake Fluid leak.....but there is no NHTSA info posted yet...


    And all these TSB's.....



    T-SB-0186-12 R2: Clutch Pedal Squeak/Creak Noise

    T-SB-0079-15: Intermittent 2nd - 3rd Up Shift Flare

    T-SB-0010-16: Blind Spot Monitor DTC C1AB2 or C1AB3

    T-SB-0044-16 R1: Paint Stains Under Rapgard

    T-SB-0053-16 R1: Howling or Whistle Noise from Front Lower Control Arms

    T-SB-0077-16 R1: ECM Calibration: Shift Feeling Enhancements

    T-SB-0088-16 R1: Difficult to Shift Out of Gear After Long Drives

    T-SB-0148-16: Combination Meter - Trip Meter Intermittently Resets

    T-SB-0170-16 R1: Wind (Reed/Buzz) Noise From Front Doors - CrossWind Conditions

    T-SB-0171-16 R1: Driveline Vibration Under Deceleration Around 10 - 30 MPH

    T-SB-0186-17: High Pitch Whine Noise from Manual Transmission

    T-SB-0213-17: License Plate Lamp Moisture and/or Blind Spot Monitor Abnormal Operation

    T-SB-0237-17: Cowl Ice Accumulation

    T-SB-0273-17 R2: Rear Suspension Silencer Pad Squeak Noise

    T-SB-0313-17: Brake Vibration and Lug Nut Torque

    T-SB-0316-17: Knocking Noise From Vacuum Pump

    SET-SB-17-007: LED Fog and DRL 2 N 1 Light Inoperative

    T-SB-0013-18 R1: Whine Noise From Rear of Vehicle

    T-SB-0016-18: Chirping Noise From High-Pressure Fuel Pump

    T-SB-0022-18: Poor JBL Audio System Sound Quality

    T-SB-0023-18 R1: Rear Vibration or Noise While Braking

    T-SB-0055-18: Water Leak at Rear of Cab - Center High Mount Stop Lamp

    T-SB-0058-18 R1: Vehicle Surge Between 40 and 50 mph

    Toyota is just like any other manufacture these days. You have to open your eyes and see...
     
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  9. Dec 17, 2018 at 2:19 PM
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    Lol....
     
  10. Dec 17, 2018 at 3:35 PM
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    No Toyota fan boy here. I'm a Ram fanboy - and buddy you don't have the bandwidth to print out all the fucking TSBs and recalls associated with my truck crush. I think something is wrong if I don't get a recall notice from FCA at least once a month.

    Here's where I have a problem with Fords - and it's the same problem (to a degree) that I have with Ram....they will issue a TSB or a recall and then not have the parts to do the work for YEARS. Fuck, Ram even sends out a form with the recall notice so that you can get reimbursed for the work if you have it done somewhere else....they pretty much tell you they won't get around to it.

    Having said that, I'm not the one leading the cheer for a new truck (and I use that term loosely) that is coming to us with a turbocharged engine that LOSES power when it's not hot, and that has had issues including but not limited to cracked blocks over numerous models. Never in my 50 years on this planet have I ever seen a car magazine publish an article where they are baffled on how an engine loses power in ideal conditions.

    I am aware that the Ranger will sell well. I am aware that the Ranger will out option the Tacoma at the same price point. I also predict it has a very good chance of unseating the Tacoma over time. However I am also aware that it's a shit engine, with a transmission derided by Ford and GM fans as buggy....and prone to early failure.

    https://www.stangnet.com/mustang-forums/threads/2018-mustang-10-speed-failure.903142/

    It will be like every Ford product on the road - awesome interior, awesome options, awesome on paper, but a total shit show in the long run.
     
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  11. Dec 17, 2018 at 7:19 PM
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    I’m a huge turbo fan and have been driving European turbo cars for years without issue. However, with regards to your 2.3 EB comments, you could not be more RIGHT. My son’s EB Mustang was constantly losing power and no one knew why and they couldn’t fix it. He sold it and said he’d never own another one - that engine was trash after just a few thousand miles. The EB fullsize Ford’s are getting better but they’ve had their fair share of growing pains. The torque of the 2.3EB may appeal to some but that’s been a problem engine for Ford and I wouldn’t touch it.
     
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  12. Dec 18, 2018 at 6:45 AM
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    Yes it has. This problem will be compounded in the Ranger for those who tow as the criticality of the intercooler is emphasized in this application. Imagine if mustangs are losing power due to heat soak what a Ranger towing up a hill in hot weather will do.

    This is an issue that the Big Blue Suppository has been dealing with for decades - they can't get intercoolers or coolers of any type right. It's always been a big achilles heel with their engines (6.0 and 6.4 powerstroke come to mind).

    More hoots and hijinks from the 2.3T EB world:

    https://www.mustangecoboost.net/threads/loss-of-power.2017/page-3
     
  13. Dec 18, 2018 at 8:22 AM
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    2019 Ford Ranger Review: Ford Takes Aim at the Tacoma

    "The 2019 Ford Ranger pickup truck marks the Blue Oval’s return to the midsized pickup segment for the first time in over a decade. Going up against the crowd-favorite Toyota Tacoma, the Ford Ranger is positioned as less of a utility truck and more of an everyday recreational vehicle."

    All in all, I'm not sold....
     
  14. Dec 18, 2018 at 9:33 AM
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    I had a focus ST that I tuned and drove pretty hard. One of the basics in the ST world is an intercooler upgrade. While this shouldn't be necessary on the truck, there should be some that would fit the ranger from the other vehicles that use this engine. We are on the forums because we like to mod anyways and swapping an intercooler out isn't very hard.

    Again shouldn't be necessary, and won't be happening for your average customer, but easily solved if you were serious about it.
     
  17. Dec 18, 2018 at 9:57 AM
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    Saw that this AM. What's your reasoning for not liking it? I know some up here in the mountains don't like the older, mini Toyotas suspension.
    Duane
     
  20. Dec 18, 2018 at 10:13 AM
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    My 2004 4 cylinder DOHC 2.3 L regular cab non A/C 5speed Ford Ranger was the exact opposite; meh interior (roll up windows), meh options (it did have carpet and a rear slider), meh on paper, but absolutely AWESOME on the road.
    The world needs a simple 4 cyl NA pickup. 3rd gen 2wd 2.7 Tacomas w/ manual transmissions were as close as they came.
     
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