Complain all you like, sales keep going up

I am not this smitty character.

 

Hi Kamille.

I already posted links regarding Ecoboost issues across the line. Cracked blocks, fires, and even the issue that Motor Trend reported - they lose power due to heat soak at relatively cool temperatures.

Here's another link. This one about the 10 speed transmission that is chock full of problems for both GM and Ford:

https://www.f150online.com/forums/2015-2019-f-150/517431-2018-transmission-problems-round-2-a.html

There is a difference between a car having relatively non-catastrophic issues - like brake light leaks, seeping around the rear diff gaskets, faulty CPS sensors and harmonic noises - versus engine blocks cracking, transmissions failing, engines catching on fire, etc.

There's also the logical paradox of having a small displacement engine with a turbocharged engine being advertised as a tow vehicle. This engine has already shown a tendency to de-power in a passenger car when it's only 55 degrees outside. That tow rating is worth shit if the intercooler cannot keep that engine in the sweet spot when towing or doing other work. Now don't go running around pointing at turbo Diesel engines. The nature of those engines in many ways counteracts the heat issues that have to be engineered around in non-diesel engines.

Forced induction gas engines need to maintain a proper stoichiometric air fuel ratio. In a turbo gasoline engine, the intake charge will be less dense on a hot day than on a cold day. Engine management will adjust the fuel/air mixture accordingly and the result is more power on a cold day due to more oxygen. Except apparently in the eco boost which is having issues at cool temps and hot temps.

Conversely in a diesel, the rule of thumb is that they run lean with much excess air provided than needed (especially with forced induction).

Diesel is less sensitive to lean conditions, and are therefore largely unaffected by the temperature differences that would affect a gasoline engine. Forced induction evens it out even more. That's why you see a metric shit ton of small displacement turbo diesels outside of the US and even in desert regions.

Simply put, a small non-diesel turbo charged engine is a shitty choice for a vehicle being advertised as having a high tow capacity. Nothing new for Ford. Dazzle the masses with slick marketing and heavily featured interiors. Then offer a buggy vehicle with numerous engineering issues. Then change things up every three to four years...which leads to another point.

Now I'm also going to give you a lesson in why Toyota's and Wranglers keep their value. While everyone points to reliability and reputation (both areas where Fords fall on their face) the other major factor is often not discussed. Bear with me here, my God daughter's husband works for KBB. He says that a dominant factor in resale value is how often the manufacturer changes the platform. Nothing devalues your car faster than having an appreciably newer and different model being released on a short cycle.

Both Toyota and FCA (specifically the Wrangler) have two of the longest refresh cycles for their vehicles in the business. See, your 2020 Ranger will depreciate very quickly when the refresh comes out in 3 years. A 2018 or 2019 Tacoma has more than twice as long before a refresh comes out. This is also why the average Toyota Tacoma and 4Runner owner holds onto their vehicles longer than any other manufacturer on the planet.

If you look at the Tundra, the 4Runner and the Tacoma. you will notice something in common...they lag considerably in refinement and content compared to their competitors. They are rarely, if ever, class leaders in towing, power or torque. They always lead, however in reliability, serviceability and re-sale value.

Now I realize that by the time I post this, you may already be in love with your Toyota (again). If so, please disregard for now. Refer back to it in a a few days when you flip flop again.

XOXO

Skippy

 

Conversely why is the ford f150 the best selling truck year after year?

 

this is very true.

i bought my as new listed 17 mustang gt fully loaded and stickered at 47k. this car just released in 15 so it was a 3 year old design and in 18, guess what, refresh. i picked up this car brand new for 32k.

that's 32% depreciation due to a refresh so soon and my car is brand new. and guess what, technically i'm still taking a loss as trade value is only around 28-29k which is what a dealer would give me if i turned around and tried to give it back and buy something else.

now i got a trade quote for my taco and i was offered 29k. which seems low but i'm hoping after a year or two it will be leveled out and shouldn't depreciate much more.

 

https://youtu.be/AWtZ1TqMq4g

 

Counsel would like to present exhibit c, smitty’s actual shoes

 

Sales numbers have nothing to do with resale value or the quality of the car. Sometimes they are coincidental, some times they are not.

Historically, 30 - 35% of Ford F series sales are fleet/rental sales.

 

This. The f-150 is a cheap vehicle with a large bed. Every company-construction contractor, carrot farmer and soda machine vendor has a freakin f-150. It’s good for bringing medium sized things to places, and costs relatively little because it takes a shit every once in awhile, looks terrible, and is basically generic, if I may be so bold.

 

i read many years ago that the actual cost to build a JK wrangler is one of the lowest of all vehicles made yet Jeep commands a premium price for them new. Wranglers aren't really worth the resale demand most expect. Plus look at used ones for sale. It boggles my mind how lifted rigs with giant tires command 20k over blue book just for mods. Yet it's accepted in the community. Go browse the JK forum for sale posts and you'll see ads listing every little mod and how much it cost them and then adding that to the sale price. Crazy.

 

There are a lot of people out there with way more money than sense..

 

The 3rd generation Tacoma is a beautiful truck.

 

What's truly amazing is that they have one of the shortest length of ownership rates (if not the lowest). Wranglers are easy to fall in love with, but hard to live with....

 

Agreed.

I had an old 10 JKU which was ok, but i didn't do anything with it. Eventually sold it. Had an 05 TJ that was green. After a year i decided i hated green so bye bye it went.

I'm currently restoring a 02 TJ but it's rarely driven and will just be a street jeep for my daughter when she starts driving.

I've also found that TJ guys don't really respect JK or JL jeep owners. It's quite hilarious sometimes the pissing matches they get into.

 

"Now I'm also going to give you a lesson..." Classic man! Some people have no clue.

 

Number one. For now. The only midsize that can compete with Tacoma is the Ranger. Don’t forget, Ranger was number one in sales every year in small trucks until the 2nd gen came out. Ford had given up on Ranger by then. I still think Tacoma looks better and is a fairly simple truck. I mean that as a very good thing. However, Ranger is going to be quicker and have more creature comforts/technology. It will take a bite out of Tacoma sales but I think the GM twins and Frontier are going to be crushed by it.

I would get unsolicited offers for my ‘03 Ranger all the time before I bought my Taco. There’s a lotta love for the Ranger. Including some of us converts. I have zero intentions of going back...least not yet. Can you say Ranger Raptor?

 

The Mid-sized truck segment seems to be growing, I think the Ranger will leapfrog right past the Colorado and Canyon but stay firmly in the #2 spot behind the Tacoma

 

TJ WAS THE LAST REAL JEEP

Lol. I hate those kind of Jeep owners.

 

Think it all depends on that 2.3L engine. I swore that I’d never own a four banger but my ‘13 Fusion had one (2.0) and it was sweet...very quick.

Just can’t see myself buying a 4 cyl truck. If they’d offered one of the V6s, then I might go for a test drive.

 

Agreed! Ford could have came out swinging, but they didn’t. One motor, one trans, two body configurations, and a few trims. We may think that it’s a failure if it only sells 4-6k a month, But to Ford that will probably be a win.

 

I can't wait for the new Ranger. There's a ton of non stop whiners here that I'm hoping will jump ship.

If they do come back after a stint with Ford, I'm predicting they will come back with a new perspective and understanding about what a Toyota is (or isn't).