Any PC Builders Out There?

Did you up the memory as well? The memory becomes the bandwidth quickly on these cards, especially the 2080. At least you got a new card even though yours kicked the bucket. Did you have RMA time left on your card or does an RMA replacement void the ME warranty? I buy almost everything there even though it's a couple of hour drive because at least if somethings wrong I can deal with a person over it. I don't think I've ever bought the warranty though, I just RMA if I'm outside the return window.

 

I'll also add that I love my 2080 but I went from a 1070 to this card so my jump was much larger. I also find the software for overclocking the 20 series is much easier to use especially since software tuning and curve building is now built in to almost every piece of overclocking software that is compatible with the 20 series.

 

mem clock is set at +800... I honestly didn't even think to rma it. I totally could of but then probably would of been without a gpu for half a year knowing msi

 

I saw that article, and hope that it's true. The base series is rumored to start at 6 cores I think, and the new 9 series is supposed to be a 12c/24t monstrosity? And yeah, the prices were unbelievable cheap. I don't think it will be entirely accurate, but can hope for the best. I also saw that AMD outsold Intel by a long shot this year.

 

I feel like amd only cares about building workstation cpus, they have never beat out intel when it comes to gaming performance and I doubt they ever will but yeah they make cheaper chips and have better cooling so there's that going for them I guess.

 

There’s only about a 5-10% frame rate difference between Intel and AMD this gen clock for clock, and if you like to stream AMD is the clear winner especially bang for buck. Like you said yesterday, no one wants to pay $400 for 5-10% more performance except a few early adopters. The funny thing is too if you’re really into gaming you’re probably not at 1080p anymore, and the CPU only acts as a bottleneck between AMD and Intel at 1080p. 1440 and 4K are card bottlenecked.

AMD is in it for the consumer, they drive down prices and without them we’d still have quad core i7 components from Intel for $400. You have it backwards. Intel takes their server hardware and cuts it down into products for the consumer market at inflated prices. AMD targets the consumer market and uses their component based Infinity Fabric technology to scale it out to workstations and server applications. AMDs entire Zen architecture is built to bring the same level of performance across several markets because its scalable. Intels tech based on single die single chip technology is not scalable and it’s why AMD is out producing and out selling Intel in several markets.

Very few people buy high end stuff just for gaming anymore. You don’t see a ton of gamers rushing to buy the top end chips. If I didn’t do things like image stitching and streaming I wouldn’t own a Threadripper. That being said my CPU can do just about everything from running BFV with RT enabled at 60ish FPS to stitching 20 GB of drone imagery together in under 30 minutes. When Threadripper hit the market I didn’t even look at Intel. No way was I paying twice as much for a very small performance gain.

 

and yeah I come off as a fanboy but I owned a 2600k, 3770k, and 6700k. I saw that there was only about 5% performance gains between those three chips over almost 7 years. I’m tired of Intels model holding back innovation and I’m really happy to see AMD come out fighting with a new scalable architecture at a lower price point that lets average guys like me access HEDT components for what a crappy 6700k used to cost.

 

Pretty good video here about how Intel's own changes to keep up with AMD pretty much showed their old pricing model was a massive ripoff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEw-3vpqhbQ

 

skylakes are a waste of money obviously no one would pay full price for one of those unless they just want to waste money but sub 400 for a coffee lake when it performs better then any amd I've looked at I see no point for an amd chip (for gaming)

 

Man you need to dig into it more. Honestly I'm not going to go through posting all the videos that have beat the subject to a pulp but the cost of a Coffee Lake plus Z series board versus a Ryzen+ (2000 series) and B series board (don't need the Z series to overclock unlike Intel) is a couple of hundred dollars. Take that money and invest it in a better GC and the Ryzen wins handily.

As for Skylake, remember Intel sold that as the shit only two years ago lol. It's a waste of money now, which means they ripped of tons of people which is my gripe with Intel. If you want to continue dealing with them that's your choice but I'm done with Intel until they come down in price to where they belong.

If there was no reason to buy Ryzen for gaming why is the 2700x outselling the 8700k/9700k? It's because the value is there. The same thing might happen to nVidia right away here when AMD releases Navi if it can get within 10% of the performance of the 20 series for the rumored half price.

 

Not sure if this is the place to post this but looking for some recommendations for a laptop for a decent price to perform things such as streaming, web browsing, the basics. Nothing fancy. If this is not the place to post this my apologies

 

Streaming from a laptop can be tough. Which program will you be using to stream? OBS? Something else? If it's OBS, well OBS loves core count so you'll need to go to at least a hexacore laptop in order to have stable streaming from of a game at 720p. That means an 8000 series Intel i5 or i7 mobile chip.

Speaking of which what are you streaming? A game or just a live stream from your webcam? If it's the later forget above, almost anything you buy can stream 720p from a the webcam on a laptop. That being said if you're looking to get into making money off streaming, which is extremely tough to do but not impossible, you really shouldn't be looking at laptops anyways since you'll want a second screen to manage your stream while you do something else on the main screen. Desktop class components with octacore processors are really necessary for 1080p streaming especially when gaming if you don't want to start choking off your framerate.

So look at the entry/mid tier lineups of gaming laptops from Dell, Asus, MSi, and Lenovo. Forget looking at Alienware, Sager, or Razor for your needs unless you are willing to pay a little more since most of their product line is aimed at the upper mid tier and above. That extra spend might be worth it depending on where you'll haul the laptop, usually the mid and high tier max-Q 1060 products are pretty light but they do cost significantly more. Personally I'd just wait for a sale and snipe whatever comes up with a i7 8750H and a GTX 1060. That's a solid combo for 1080p gaming and some 1080p streaming, though like I've said above a hexacore is pushing it for 1080p streaming with a game running at the same time. One watch out though is try to view the product in store before buying. The low and middle gaming laptop tier is notorious for having some pretty horrible screens.

 

Holy moly thank you for the info I really appreciate it. I should have been more clear about the streaming.. mainly streaming games (Reddit nfl streams) and such. Also will probably frequent Pirate Bay for torrents. Other than that not too much into gaming anymore. I had a MacBook Air which I loved but in all honesty for what I used it for I didn’t need to go that fancy. I did however love the solid slate it had for the “instant on”

 

I should restate what I actually run since I have made a few upgrades this year lol:

Ryzen Threadripper 1950x
Gigabyte Gaming 7 X399 motherboard
Fractal Designs S36 360mm AIO liquid cooler
4 x 8 GB 2666 mhz Corsair HyperX ram
Gigabyte Windforce 2080 8GB
Samsung 960 Evo 1 TB M2 PCI-E SSD (OS and main program drive)
Intel 900p Optane drive (Scratch and gaming drive)
EVGA G3-Series 1000 watt PSU
3 x Corsair 120mm RGB fans with controller
Corsair 270 R case
2 x 24" Dell 165hz 1440p G-Sync displays

Excuse the lack of cable management. When I was in the case last I had to reroute a few fans since the controller was in a bad spot and I didn't do much management afterwards. I'm going to move things around next year and rewire manage when I likely install a second 2080 in SLI, a newer 905p Optane dedicated scratch drive, and a Threadripper 3950x. Yeah, I do stuff with this PC lol.

 

SSD technology is pretty widespread now, you'll find it in even a fair share of lower end laptops. They are definitely a must have now. You can also buy a cheap HDD laptop and upgrade the drive yourself if you're feeling brave. If by streaming you mean just watching NFL streams on Reddit scratch everything I said lol. You should just look for a Ryzen 5 or Intel core i5 laptop. The advantage of the Ryzen 5 will be in some light gaming so I'd keep an eye out for them. You don't need a dedicated graphics card if you're just going to watch Reddit and surf the web.

I've had a few Mac's. They are easy to use for basic stuff but their software/hardware 3rd party support is horrible beyond Adobe. I wouldn't recommend a Mac. If you really like the look and feel of Macs take a look at the Surface Book from Microsoft. They cost a premium but they look, feel, and perform like a Windows version of the iMac Pro.

 

lol I'm just an Intel fan boy no shame always have been always will be ever since my 4770k days. but the 8700k might be my last Intel chip. ill have to see where they stand in 5 years time

 

I was all about amd when I built my 1st computer back in "96". 1.33 thunderbird and a KT7A raid board. I was for the underdog and during thise times, amd stuck a pencil in Intel's eye and twisted it around a bit.
Stuck with them all the way to around 2007 or so when the 27" iMac came out and included the Intel proc in their standalone machines.
Intel ever since.

 

The funny thing is Mac will probably ditch Intel in the next few years. Apple has been dumping money in CPU design and hiring people with X86-64 backgrounds. The rumor is Mac will be done with Intel if they can design a chip that can out IPC the existing Intel product.

 

I have built several amd and intel systems. But mostly amd over the last several builds. Just better value to me. I have a 1700 non x that does great. I use it mostly as a distributed computing cruncher looking for cures to cancer, but also pay bills with it and keep my kids school lunch menus up in chrome so they can see what the school is serving
So for me with the computing, core count was key. AMD clearly won on that one. Really hoping the leaks are accurate on the 3 series. Would love to replace my oldests i5 7400 system. Was thinking TR, but a ryzen 3 series may be my pick.

 

Seems like not that long ago the 4th gen Core chips came out. I have a 4790K collecting dust at the moment.

I was an AMD fan from the K6-III to the Phenom II. Seemed like AMD fell behind after that, so my next chip was a 2600k, then to my current 4790K.

What I had looked into wasn't just CPU performance, but the chipset as well. Things like RAM and GPU performed better with the Intel chipset. I also liked that the Intel chips ran cooler too. I would like to see AMD make a comeback. I have no reason to upgrade at the moment though.