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Undercoat using motorcycle chain wax???

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by LDrider, Jan 2, 2019.

  1. Jan 2, 2019 at 1:01 PM
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    LDrider

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    I brought my new Tacoma home last month and would like to undercoat it and hopefully head off any future rust issues.

    I noticed that the spray chain lube I use on my motorcycle puts a nice coat of wax on the chain and it lasts for months. Was wondering if anyone has any experience using something like that rather than just an oil based rust preventative? I'm thinking the wax would better adhere to the frame and last longer.

    The chain wax is about $8 for a 13 oz spray can. A dozen cans should be plenty I would think.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Jan 2, 2019 at 1:03 PM
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    Fluid film, you can get aerosol cans or a sprayer and gun
     
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    Chain wax probably has some combustible petroleum products in it...nothing burns in FF
     
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    some guys like to use this instead of fluid film or Krown. It all ends up doing about the same job, so pick your poison
     
  5. Jan 2, 2019 at 3:14 PM
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    I sprayed the frame on my truck with Body Cavity Wax, it is the same stuff they spray throughout vehicles for corrosion protection. Best part is that it does not stink like a chemical factory and dries enough to not get all over you if you work on your truck.
     
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    OP might be onto something. If you look for the generic chain waxes (Dupont or WD-40 brand) and not fancy moto-specific brands you can get the price down to about $5/can.

    It's tenacious stuff but I don't know how it would compare to Fluid Film cost-wise or longevity-wise. I live in the desert so really have no need for the stuff but somebody should try a 50/50 experiment under their truck and find out! :thumbsup:
     
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    This stuff works great

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    Thanks for posting that pic @shakerhood - I thought you might be trolling and cavity wax was something else entirely :anonymous:

    Skimming the SDS for cavity wax it looks like the "magic ingredient" is talc. That's probably what makes it different from chain waxes which seem to have a "proprietary additive" - which may or may not be talc :rolleyes: Otherwise they're all just wax + propellant.

    I think any one of them will work fine - it boils down to cost per application and how often you have to reapply.
     
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    Educate me please: nobody undercoats their vehicles anymore? The old black stuff. Spray it once and you were done. Just fell out of vogue, or is there a reason nobody does it?
     
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    Old fashioned spray on undercoat seems to cause rust instead of preventing it, i can remember trying to scrape it off and then a big chunk of it would come off along with a rusty piece of the vehicle.
     
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    The thing about chain wax is that it doesn't wipe off easily since the wax bonds to the metal chain. Some of the wax I've used looks like I ran a candle against the chain ;-)

    My thoughts are that oil based sprays will easily be wiped off the Tacoma in no time, leaving the frame exposed after a couple of months (it snows about 5 months/year here). For grins I might just put a couple of chalk marks on the truck frame and spray one side with chain wax and the other with fluid film and see what happens.....
     
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    That stuff is great for sneaking a 1997 Saab past the state inspectors when your winter beater 21 year old Saab fails a shock tower inspection. Other than that? No.
     
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    The primary ingredient in Fluid Film
    is Wool Wax, also known as lanolin. It is a byproduct of the production of yarn.

    The funny thing is Lanolin is one of those extremely complex organic compounds which, like spider silk, is not easily reproduced by human beings using chemistry or hydrocarbon bases. Lanolin is still extensively used is marine and military/aerospace applications due to its unique properties. I come across lanolin-based products all the time in the work I do for offshore and naval vessels. There is really no substitute for the wool wax.

    Fluid Film gets my vote, because it works the best, is non-toxic, and because sheep.

    https://www.fluid-film.com/products/fluid-film-aerosol-non-aerosol-bulk/

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanolin

    Some Fluid Film specs from the attached link:
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    Oh. Well allow me to retort. The year is 2019. Science has come a long way. There is no need to coat the entire underside of your truck in foul smelling sheep sweat. As a fabricator of fine metals in the ground-based sector of the aerospace industry, mavcoat is far superior. It smells like peanut butter. It doesn’t come off. It doesn’t trap moisture beneath it. It’s clear. It’s waxy. It’s synthetic. You can weld through it (magic) and It’s used extensively over the raw trophy truck frames we all know and love. Oh and when you go to WORK on your truck, there’s no greasy foul smelling gunk that has trapped road grime and road kill to get all over you.

    You know how fluid fim is made? You have to put live sheep in a giant rock tumbler while they spin around and bleat. That’s just THE WORST. Is that how you want to undercoat your truck? IS IT???
     
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    ugh....
    Let me know when I can get my synthetic spider silk winch line. Should be good for 100 tonnes at 1/8” thick.

    :facepalm:


    Fact is, when it matters, and cost is no object, they are still using Lanolin based coatings. The highest priced military electronic fittings and fixtures come with a variety of lanolin products when used in a naval application.
     
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    You know what??




    YOURE a lanolin product
     
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    You called?

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