AR-15 BS Thread

As far as I have heard they are pretty much on par with those brands, maybe not as well marketed though...
Unfortunately Seekins doesn’t really get the kickback reputation from having Vortex use their rings/mounts as Vortex branded stuff.

Now, I’m not a fan of Vortex optics... but the Seekins rings and mounts they brand as their own are excellent.

 

Did someone say Larue?

 

With the market opening up on Braces, in my opinion, it kinda seems crazy to apply for an SBR.

 

Funny thing about Larue, most of their products aren't made in Texas
A lot of their machined products come out of a machine shop called "Stubborn Mule Outdoor Supply" in southern Oregon. Still good stuff for the most part though.

 

I'd agree in general, but there are definitely still benefits to SBR's, not to mention the cool factor. I definitely have many more "pistols" than SBR's, but I just submitted another Form 1 over the weekend. Positives and negatives to both.

 

Got backup BCG?

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-5-56-nitride-mpi-full-auto-bolt-carrier-group-516446953.html

 

In your opinion what’s some of the positive to having and SBR? I’m not trying to play devils advocate here, I’ve just gone back and forth on the decision to go that route.

 

Really there are only 3, 2 of them are minor and 1 is superficial.

1. Stock choice. Braces have come a long way, but there is still no substitute for a well designed stock. If stocks weren't important for comfort and usability, companies like Magpul and B5 Systems wouldn't exist.

2. Being classified as a rifle and not a pistol, transporting the weapon (within your own state) is generally easier. In most states/counties/cities transport laws are generally much more strict for a pistol than a rifle, specifically when being transported in a vehicle. Having a concealed carry permit negates most but not all of these circumstances.

3. Purely superficial, stocks look much better and having an SBR possesses a definite cool factor.

Also, I think the likelihood of a change in decision on the legality of AR pistols in our future is much more likely than on SBR's. One could argue that if there were an AWB in the future leading to a mandatory confiscation/buyback than the powers at be would know exactly what you had... I would argue that if it comes to that we have much larger problems to deal with.

 

Say what?
He has close to 100 CNC machines and claims it's all made in house.
Got proof?

 

Wish I did.
I worked with SMOS briefly (not a fan), I saw their mold for the Larue lower with my own eyes. Said "Made in Texas" on it and everything. That is the only proof I myself saw, they claimed to produce a lot of Larue's parts but then again their business practices have come in question before so that could be inflated.
They also produce Q products, once again their lower receiver at the very least. They also did everything for Noveske for a long time before they had a falling out.

The firearms industry is a strange one. There's very few people that actually make firearms and firearms parts, most are just paying a machine shop to produce their product... nothing wrong with that, just strange to me. Especially when one company will claim to be far superior when their products came off the exact same machines with the exact same materials as the next guy, who's charging half as much.

 

Ahh yes, they used to have lowers made from someone else but that was quite a while ago IIRC.

 

Well there you go. Like I said that's the only part I'm 100% on, the rest is he said she said.
It's so difficult to actually zero in on things like that sometimes. For instance, both SMOS and Noveske swear up and down that it was the other companies fault and both claim they got screwed. Judging by SMOS' track record I would think the former, but I think there's few people that actually know the truth in situations like that. Companies don't want you to know where their parts come from, so they're pretty secretive about anything that has to do with it.

Speaking of Noveske, the only thing they've ever made in house to my knowledge is barrels. I've never drank the Noveske coolaid myself but it's funny the cult following a company has that is basically a marketing company that makes barrels

 

Larue & SMOS was a long time ago. It's all made in house now as far as I know.

 

I saw the mold last year, I doubt it was THAT long ago.

 

TBH, I wouldn't be surprised if they farm out the base work to other companies before doing finishing/refinishing/QC work to make sure it's up to snuff. If SMOS does the bulk machining, but Larue does the fiddly low-tolerance stuff that actually improves fit and function, then finishes with a nicer process or finish, did SMOS make that lower, or did Larue?

 

5-6 years ago.

 

Well I don't know why they'd have a 5-6 year old mold sitting with the rest of their current workload, but who knows. No point in arguing.

 

Agreed on no arguing just trying to make sure mis-info isn't getting spread.
You originally said 'most of their products' but it was just their large frame lowers 5-6 years ago.
At that time more of their products may have been farmed out but it'd be the 1st I'd heard of it.

They have a large operation:
https://www.larue.com/page/machining-operation-tour/

 

"Most" was what I was told by the manufacturer, the lower mold was the only proof I saw, and it was a small frame lower (15) not a large frame (10). Maybe there's more to it than you or I know

 

Always wanted to see what the BCM hype was about so I got one, I always used Aero Precision.