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Stiffen Steering?

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by HelloMyNameIs, Jan 28, 2019.

  1. Jan 28, 2019 at 12:12 PM
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    HelloMyNameIs

    HelloMyNameIs [OP] I know words, I have the best words.

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    I have an '18 DCLB Off Road and am wanting to see if there is a way I can stiffen up my steering some. I know that the suspension is "tuned for offroad" and rubbery as opposed to the stock suspension on the Sport, but the past few months it just seems like when I'm on the highway I'm constantly moving the wheel to keep straight. Two weeks ago I replaced the stock Wranglers with some 255/85r16 Cooper ST Maxxs and the smaller width and tread squirm that comes with them seems to be making the loose steering even more pronounced.

    Any recommendations or insight?
     
  2. Jan 28, 2019 at 12:16 PM
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    Nixinus

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    Alignment plays a factor in how the truck tracks. Also my truck feels a little 'looser' since I swapped my sport sway bar for an OR one (2mm more narrow). Don't know if that's in my own head but it feels different.
     
  3. Jan 28, 2019 at 12:16 PM
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    JoeCOVA

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    Try an alignment
     
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  4. Jan 28, 2019 at 12:17 PM
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    Have you had the alignment checked yet.

    My 2018 acted squirrelly on the road and when I took it in for the 6month check I mentioned my concerns. Stock vehicle with less that 3K and the alignment was off from the factory.

    It’s much better now although I still feel like it could tweaked more.
     
  5. Jan 28, 2019 at 12:17 PM
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    na8rboy

    na8rboy 18 DCLB Sport Cement

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    Did you get an alignment? Having the caster set close to + 2.5 if possible will help with wandering
     
  6. Jan 28, 2019 at 12:18 PM
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    na8rboy

    na8rboy 18 DCLB Sport Cement

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    Wow everyone was typing same thing at same time...lol
     
  7. Jan 28, 2019 at 12:25 PM
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    HelloMyNameIs

    HelloMyNameIs [OP] I know words, I have the best words.

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    The tire shop did an alignment after installing the tires. I'm sure some have an opinion on that though. I'll have to see if I can find the specs, not that I know much about what they'd mean.
     
  8. Jan 28, 2019 at 12:25 PM
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    Azza

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    Then it has to be true! :rofl:
     
  9. Jan 28, 2019 at 12:32 PM
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    The shop probably set the caster within spec. You want them to max it out, while keeping the camber and toe at 0.
     
  10. Jan 28, 2019 at 12:36 PM
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    HelloMyNameIs [OP] I know words, I have the best words.

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    Roger that, I will see if I can find the spec sheet and post it for further TacomaWorld analysis lol. I know nothing about alignment.
     
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    From https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=4

    Increasing the amount of positive caster will increase steering effort and straight line tracking, as well as improve high speed stability and cornering effectiveness. Positive caster also increases tire lean when cornering (almost like having more negative camber) as the steering angle is increased.

    What's the downside to positive caster? If the vehicle doesn't have power steering, a noticeable increase in steering effort will be felt as positive caster is increased. Other than that, the effects of positive caster are pretty much "positive," especially increasing the lean of the tire when the vehicle is cornering while returning it to a more upright position when driving straight ahead.
     
  12. Jan 28, 2019 at 1:35 PM
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    HelloMyNameIs [OP] I know words, I have the best words.

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    How does this look?
    image.jpg
     
  13. Jan 28, 2019 at 2:05 PM
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    With the stock suspension, a dip in the road with send the truck into oncoming traffic. Stiffen the suspension will stiffen the steering .
     
  14. Jan 28, 2019 at 2:07 PM
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    HelloMyNameIs

    HelloMyNameIs [OP] I know words, I have the best words.

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    Yeah I want to do 5100s at some point.
     
  15. Jan 28, 2019 at 2:08 PM
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    If you want more control, a stiffer suspension is the way to go .A lot of people have 5100s here
     
  16. Jan 28, 2019 at 2:09 PM
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    SpeySquatch

    SpeySquatch Function over Form

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    yah but it also increases bump-steering which is annoying as F. I upgraded my suspension and every dip and bump is more noticeable because it's stiffer. Is there a way to reduce bump-steer?
     
  17. Jan 28, 2019 at 2:29 PM
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    na8rboy

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    Caster looks good.
    Caster looks real good. Camber and toe, you can see + on one side - on other side. I like it when sides match +, I feel it drive much better. Some don't because crown of road.
     
  18. Jan 28, 2019 at 2:34 PM
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    Rujack

    Rujack Stop Global Whining

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    Drain the power steering fluid and put in some 90 weight
     
  19. Jan 28, 2019 at 2:36 PM
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    It's because of the 255/85/16 tires...

    You basically have zero scrub radius. Your SAI is directly center of your tire now. Any load transfer to the left or right side of tires will make it wander. You need about 1/4" of positive scrub. A 3/4" spacer would fix it, but it will more than likely rub; it puts you at about the same place as a 285/75/16, as far as poke.

    255/85/16s fit, but they don't 'work'.

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    Are you running wheel spacers or high offset wheels?
     

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