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Bridge4 · Feb 23, 2019

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I read an article that says there are more prominent members of the community that they expect to charge.
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I think this whole thing stinks and something more to it. No reasons for some of these people are involved in such a sketchy place. 6 month investigation with tons of videos? I think someone didn’t pay someone and this is punishment. Again I’m making things up and have no proof, just seems strange to me is all.

Pugga · Feb 23, 2019

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I read an article that says there are more prominent members of the community that they expect to charge.
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Sounds like it’s time to grab some popcorn and sit back and watch the fireworks!

Hopefully they get te scumbags actually trafficking the women, not just the ‘clients’.

replica9000 · Feb 23, 2019

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My friends who go to these places in the cities have apps and there are websites that tell you where to go and rate the parlors. It's really not hard to figure out, if you read that article I posted it tells you they know and sometimes check them, but they don't really have the resources in most places to keep up. I am sure some people are doing it on the low with only certain customers though and aren't online. But again, I'm not worried about Cindy Lou Who making a few extra bucks. I'm worried about Kim Su who is stuck here after paying 25k to be smuggled into the country to be a bartender and ends up gang raped and giving handjobs all day. We seem to be having a disconnect on that point for some reason.

Also, the "are you a cop" thing isn't real and the cops don't have to say yes. Just for anyone out there thinking this will get them out of a tight spot. Maybe I'm wrong but @LivinLoud might be able to chime in on that point.
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I get what you're saying. I'm not ok with sex trafficking either. I was just saying the most of the "rub and tug" places aren't filled with people being trafficked, at least not in the Boston area. I hear that's more common in NY

I thought cops weren't allowed to lie when undercover, but Wikipedia says otherwise. .

Contrary to popular belief, the United States does not require police officers to identify themselves as police in the case of a sting or other undercover work, and police officers may lie when engaged in such work.[21] The law of entrapment instead focuses on whether people were enticed to commit crimes they would not have otherwise considered in the normal course of events.
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morri89 · Feb 23, 2019

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Maybe not completely or the extents of it, but when you are going to a back ally rub and tug, you have to have some idea of what you’re supporting.

This! He has the means to get to a higher class place where you at least know the women aren’t being trafficked.

If the conditions are like we’re described in the article, you have to know going in that it’s not exactly a reputable establishment. Honestly, i’m surprised a public figure like him wouldn’t avoid places like that just for the outside chance of the owners blackmailing him. Obviously not dealing with the top of society there.
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According to Adam schefter Kraft isn't even the ' most famous' person that is being charged in this sting. It hasn't come out that I've seen who the more famous person is though. That area of flordia though there are a lot of rich celebrities, including a certain golfer than I'd bet money is the more famous person.

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You never responded and earlier said you were looking for wheels so.... But you're first in line of you want then
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Bridge4 · Feb 23, 2019

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I get what you're saying. I'm not ok with sex trafficking either. I was just saying the most of the "rub and tug" places aren't filled with people being trafficked, at least not in the Boston area. I hear that's more common in NY

I thought cops weren't allowed to lie when undercover, but Wikipedia says otherwise. .
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Yeah I think big ports make it easier as with all smuggling.

BookieBob · Feb 23, 2019

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seedy_tea · Feb 23, 2019

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I'm not 100% sure of when or what I want to do yet. I definitely think the 4Runner would look better with a wider stance though.
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LivinLoud · Feb 23, 2019

Bridge4 said: ↑

My friends who go to these places in the cities have apps and there are websites that tell you where to go and rate the parlors. It's really not hard to figure out, if you read that article I posted it tells you they know and sometimes check them, but they don't really have the resources in most places to keep up. I am sure some people are doing it on the low with only certain customers though and aren't online. But again, I'm not worried about Cindy Lou Who making a few extra bucks. I'm worried about Kim Su who is stuck here after paying 25k to be smuggled into the country to be a bartender and ends up gang raped and giving handjobs all day. We seem to be having a disconnect on that point for some reason.

Also, the "are you a cop" thing isn't real and the cops don't have to say yes. Just for anyone out there thinking this will get them out of a tight spot. Maybe I'm wrong but @LivinLoud might be able to chime in on that point.
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I have no idea, never done anything UC

tacobell007 · Feb 23, 2019

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Also @replica9000 if it makes a difference, I'm probly heading out to holyoke next weekend.
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Whatcha doing out here?

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TreeFortRichard · Feb 23, 2019

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Wife is home. I think her dog is going to explode...

This is my current headache I was trying to avoid. Not sure whether to beat a bean counter or an engineer, or?

I hate these things.
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TreeFortRichard · Feb 23, 2019

Police NEVER have to I.D. themselves if they feel doing so will put them at risk of harm...so all you have to say is "I'm not a cop" because you fear there is a guy in the next room with a pick axe...
They do have to I.D. themselves clearly when making an arrest or entering private property.
The prostitution stings around here do this great move when they set up payment beforehand with a unique request....like Ihop gift cards or Amazon gift cards and bring some smart food...This way when you show up you can't deny why you are there.."No I was here to convert her to christianity and bring her home..." Um then why do you have $53 in Michael's gift cards and 3 Krispy Kreme donuts?

The best article I read on the Kraft arrest had the Vinnie Goomba guy next door to the "spa" who owned a pizza place and said he would offer the skinny sad girls pizza when they were on their break because they all looked like they were starving. He also said a few weeks ago at 11:30pm the police showed up and said there was a bomb in the spa. They evacuated the spa and presumably this is when they installed the hidden cameras. Pizza guy said "If there is a bomb why didn't they evacuate my pizza place...I knew something was up"...Let me see if I can find it...Oh and the guy had a rub and tug busted next to his old pizza place in Philly...I bet his business booms after this! Of course it's called Goodfella's Pizza
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/sports/robert-kraft-jupiter-orchids-arrest.html

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Patriots Owner Robert Kraft Charged in Florida Prostitution Investigation
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Robert Kraft, the owner of the New England Patriots, was charged with two counts of soliciting sex from a prostitute. The charges were part of a broad investigation into prostitution and human trafficking in day spas and massage parlors in Florida.CreditCreditDoug Mills/The New York Times
JUPITER, Fla. — Robert K. Kraft, the billionaire owner of the Super Bowl champion New England Patriots, was charged on Friday with two counts of soliciting sex as part of a wide-ranging investigation into prostitution and suspected human trafficking in South Florida.

The charges against Mr. Kraft, 77, in Jupiter, Fla., came after the police used video surveillance to observe activity inside several day spas and massage parlors. The police said that the parlors had been used for prostitution and that many of the women involved were considered to be victims.

The investigation involved several law enforcement agencies and resulted in raids and arrests connected to nearly a dozen businesses in the region. At least one person was charged with human trafficking; others, including several women, are accused of racketeering and money laundering. More than two dozen customers, men ranging in age from their 30s to at least one in his 80s, have been arrested; hundreds have been charged, the police said.

A spokesman for Mr. Kraft and the Patriots released a statement, saying: “We categorically deny that Mr. Kraft engaged in any illegal activity. Because it is a judicial matter, we will not be commenting further.”

Mr. Kraft is the most prominent name to emerge in the case, and the charges represent an embarrassing spectacle for a man who has become one of the most powerful owners in American sports. His Patriots have played in 10 Super Bowls since he bought the team, winning six times. He is a leading voice in the N.F.L.’s small fraternity of billionaire owners, a member of the committee that sets Commissioner Roger Goodell’s salary and a friend and political benefactor of President Trump.

In addition, the legal problems may place Mr. Goodell in the uncomfortable position of having to mete out some kind of punishment for the personal conduct of a man who is essentially one of his bosses.

The N.F.L.’s constitution gives Mr. Goodell broad authority to hold players and owners accountable for conduct he deems detrimental to the league. Previous punishments have included fines and suspensions, which prohibit owners from being at their team facilities or attending games.

“The N.F.L. is aware of the ongoing law enforcement matter and will continue to monitor developments,” the league said in a statement.

As the league commissioner in 1999, Paul Tagliabue fined Edward J. DeBartolo Jr., who owned the San Francisco 49ers, $1 million and suspended him for a season after he pleaded guilty for failing to report a felony arising from a gambling fraud and extortion case. More recently, Mr. Goodell suspended Jim Irsay, the owner of the Indianapolis Colts, who has battled substance abuse, for six games and fined him $500,000 after he pleaded guilty to driving while impaired.

The Orchids of Asia spa in Jupiter, Fla.CreditSaul Martinez for The New York Times

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The Orchids of Asia spa in Jupiter, Fla.CreditSaul Martinez for The New York Times
The case involving Mr. Kraft is more complicated. He has been charged with two misdemeanors, not felonies, and those charges may be reduced or dropped. But Mr. Goodell has long portrayed himself as the defender of the league’s reputation, and he has penalized players and owners for a host of offenses, some of which might have been little noticed years earlier.

Mr. Kraft is accused of patronizing a spa in Jupiter called Orchids of Asia, a small storefront business in a strip mall that also includes a nail salon, a surf shop and a Thai restaurant. The police said Mr. Kraft had visited twice, dropped off by a driver. The mall, anchored on one end by an Outback Steakhouse, is near lushly landscaped gated communities, a half-dozen golf courses and the spring training home of the Miami Marlins and the St. Louis Cardinals.

All of the sexual encounters that have resulted in charges were videotaped as part of the prostitution investigation, the police said. Investigators, who have been conducting surveillance of massage parlors in the area for six months, charged “nearly 200” people, though only a fraction have been arrested so far.

For years, Mr. Kraft has been considered a kind of first among equals in the ranks of the 32 N.F.L. owners. He has led the league’s powerful broadcast and finance committees and has often touted his status as a confidant to Mr. Goodell. Within owner and executive circles, he is known as “the assistant commissioner,” with no small hint of resentment.

Mr. Kraft had fashioned himself as a kind of ordinary Patriots fan who in the 1970s sat with his sons in the frigid bleachers of Section 217 of what was originally called Schaefer Stadium. He made his fortune in the paper and packaging business and purchased the land adjacent to the stadium complex in the 1980s, and eventually bought the stadium itself.

That positioned Mr. Kraft to buy the Patriots in 1994 after James Orthwein put the team up for sale. Other bidders included Stan Kroenke, the current owner of the Los Angeles Rams, and Mr. Trump, at the time a businessman and the former owner of the New Jersey Generals of the United States Football League.

Mr. Kraft paid $172 million for the Patriots, the highest price paid for an N.F.L. team at the time. His public identification with the Patriots, the N.F.L.’s pre-eminent 21st century dynasty, has given Mr. Kraft entree into a world of celebrity friends, beautiful young women, Hollywood award spectacles and high-roller events.

The team won its sixth Super Bowl title on Feb. 3, defeating the Los Angeles Rams, 13-3, in Atlanta. The team has sold out every regular-season and exhibition game since 1994 and sits near the top of the league in revenue. Mr. Kraft attended the N.B.A. All-Star Game festivities last weekend in Charlotte, N.C., where he hobnobbed courtside with LeBron James while wearing a diamond “Championships” necklace that the rapper Meek Mill had given him at a Super Bowl after-party.

In 2017, Mr. Kraft attended a private dinner with Mr. Trump and Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan at Mar-a-Lago, Mr. Trump’s club in Palm Beach, Fla.

Friends said Mr. Kraft was set adrift after the death from cancer of Myra Kraft, his wife of nearly five decades, in 2011.

“I cried myself to sleep every night for a year after my wife died, until I met my girlfriend,” Mr. Kraft said in a 2017 interview. The girlfriend was Ricki Noel Lander, an actress and dancer who then was in her early 30s and whom Mr. Kraft has been dating off and on since.

The Town of Jupiter Building Department placed a danger sign on the spa’s front door that reads, “This unit is unsafe and its use or occupancy is prohibited.”CreditSaul Martinez for The New York Times

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The Town of Jupiter Building Department placed a danger sign on the spa’s front door that reads, “This unit is unsafe and its use or occupancy is prohibited.”CreditSaul Martinez for The New York Times
While Mr. Kraft lives in Massachusetts, he has owned property in Palm Beach, Fla., for a number of years.

By early Friday afternoon, the Orchids of Asia day spa had become an impromptu tourist attraction, drawing onlookers who peered into its darkened glass facade and posed for pictures in front of the closed business. An orange sign posted on the door by the town’s building department and dated Tuesday, reading “DANGER,” warned that occupying the unit was prohibited.

Linda Perry of Jupiter Island said she had been driving into the neighborhood for lunch when news of Mr. Kraft’s arrest broke.

“I looked it up and we decided to come here,” she said. “It’s just so mind-boggling.”

An affidavit of probable cause filed by the Jupiter police laid out how the men had come to be charged for what went on inside the spa.

Acting on a tip from law enforcement personnel in nearby Martin County last summer, the police began their investigation by searching online reviews for the business, several of which used a slang term for a sex act that was available to male customers. After conducting 24-hour video surveillance in November, the police noticed that only male clients had entered, despite the spa’s advertising some services primarily used by women.

A Florida Department of Health investigator inspected the business on behalf of the police and noticed several indications that women were living there, including beds, dressers with personal items and a refrigerator containing food and condiments.

One day in January, the police stopped men leaving the spa in their vehicles. At the roadside, the men told police officers that they had taken part in sex acts during their visits. Using that information, the police obtained a search warrant allowing them to monitor and record conduct inside the spa on video. For five days, starting on Jan. 18, the police monitored the video, and they said they had observed more than 20 men receiving manual or oral stimulation during massage sessions. In none of the instances, the police said, did they observe sexual intercourse.

At Goodfella’s Pizza several doors down, the owner, Joseph Bompartito, said he had been working late waiting for a delivery on Jan. 17 when, at about 11:30 p.m., a swarm of police cars pulled up to the mall and evacuated the massage parlor, claiming there was a suspicious package and a possible bomb threat. But officers did not evacuate any other businesses in the strip mall, which made Mr. Bompartito suspect that something unlawful was going on at the massage parlor. Now, he said, he thinks that was when the police might have planted video cameras inside, a conclusion backed up by the police timeline released on Friday.

“If it was a real bomb scare, why wouldn’t they have evacuated the rest of the mall?” he said.

Mr. Bompartito, who moved to South Florida from Philadelphia seven months ago, said that around the time of the purported bomb scare, he saw young women leave the massage parlor around lunchtime every day and walk around the mall, without talking to anyone or eating anything. He had worked next door to a day spa in Philadelphia that had been raided by the police and sensed something was wrong here, too.

“They looked malnourished,” he said of the women from Orchids of Asia. “One I even offered a slice of pizza to. She wouldn’t even say hi, wouldn’t even say thank you. Just kept her head down.”

On Tuesday, one of the women he recognized was taken away by the police in handcuffs, he said.

Patricia Mazzei reported from Jupiter, Kevin Draper from New York, and Mark Leibovich from Washington. Ken Belson contributed reporting from Orlando, Fla., and Victor Mather from New York. Alain Delaquérière contributed research.

A version of this article appears in print on Feb. 23, 2019, on Page A1 of the New York edition with the headline: Patriots Owner Facing Charges After Sex Sting. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe

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Chasespeed · Feb 23, 2019

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adams/north adams? Is that mt greylock?
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No, the view is of Mount Tom, and the Holyoke range.

Anyway, picked Stacey up from the trainer today.

Right now, she is settling into her crate, and getting accustomed to house full of kids, and noise. Easy pace.
No negative interactions with Alley(they have met before, a couple times). Transition is going to take a bit... but, will pay off with interest.

tacobell007 · Feb 23, 2019

Chasespeed said: ↑

No, the view is of Mount Tom, and the Holyoke range.

Anyway, picked Stacey up from the trainer today.

Right now, she is settling into her crate, and getting accustomed to house full of kids, and noise. Easy pace.
No negative interactions with Alley(they have met before, a couple times). Transition is going to take a bit... but, will pay off with interest.
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Mt. Tom is right by my work

Chasespeed · Feb 23, 2019

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Mt. Tom is right by my work
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I was down off 116 in Chicopee.
You're working on the other side right?

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