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Discussion in 'Alabama' started by Davtopgun, May 18, 2009.

  1. Mar 4, 2019 at 7:36 AM
    T4golfR

    T4golfR Golf dad > Soccer mom

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    True. You'll get no argument from me:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
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    One has a better name printed on it dude. C'mon
     
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    Well to be fair, you were wrong. Soooo, there's that.

    :boink:
     
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    I wasn't, though. They are made the same.

    Maybe not tested, but the manufacturing process is most likely extremely similar if not exact.

    Most (if not all) basic shackles are made in the same manner, possibly same factories, then branded.
     
  5. Mar 4, 2019 at 7:52 AM
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    Do you have proof they are made the same? This is the real argument.
     
  6. Mar 4, 2019 at 7:54 AM
    T4golfR

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    In that regard, do you have proof they aren't?
     
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    Forged or cast, that's your two options.

    Do you have proof they aren't made the same? This is why I said ask for more information about the manufacturer.

    some reading material from one guy: http://www.balancecommunity.com/slack-science/all-about-shackles-2/

    particularly: "I went to a local wirerope shop that has a giant pull testing machine to do some break tests recently and I was talking to the owner of the shop. He said that one time he was testing a batch of 3/4" Anchor Shackles that came from China. These shackles all had a working load limit of 7-tons stamped on the body. He pulled all of these shackles to the point of failure and all of them tested out above the specification except for one. This one shackle broke at a measly 3,000 lbf, or 1/5 of the working load limit, which is supposed to have at least a 5:1 safety ratio! This goes to show that manufacturer errors DO happen and for a piece of gear that we put so much faith into, we need be absolutely sure it is reliable. The only way to do this is to only purchase shackles that are individually tested for strength, or at the very least, batch tested. Companies such as Van Beest, Crosby, and CM test a set percentage of the shackles they produce to be sure the entire batch is reliable and consistent. Other companies, such as Peterson, pull every single one of their shackles to 2x the working load limit to be absolutely sure that it will withstand the loads that they advertise them to. These shackles may cost a few extra dollars, but they are guaranteed to hold the working load limit for as long as they are used."

    some companies only test a batch percentage, and some chinese made ones are fantastic and test above their ratings.
     
  9. Mar 4, 2019 at 7:56 AM
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    YOU'RE SO ARGUMENTATIVE
     
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    Actually yes. Factor 55 sells US made shackles made by Crosby. Read the specs for yourself, everything is verified including material origin.

    https://factor55.com/product/crosby-34-shackles/
     
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    that is not proof that the chinese ones aren't the same.
     
  12. Mar 4, 2019 at 7:57 AM
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    don't. you'll die. guaranteed.

    or lose all of your limbs.
     
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    ORIGIN is different. The US made Crosby shackles are verified. You have no idea what the Chinese shackles are made from. Could be doo doo cast steel or high quality forged steel. Feel free to guess.
     
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    again, I agreed that asking for more information is a good idea.

    I never once said they are all equivalent, just that they are made the same.

    not tested, MADE.

    forged, or cast. that is how they are made. not what they are made of or who they are made by. simply HOW.
     
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    The real question is will you get an answer from that Chinese manufacturer? Probably not.
     
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    No disagreement there
     
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    Wow wasted 10mins reading through the same bs of everyone telling Scotty he is wrong and him still arguing and even if proven wrong then go back to argueing that he isn’t arguing:annoyed:


    I will say, I read somewhere that having the WLL marking on them is very important and I do not see that on the Pin just the U part of the shackle. Probably worth the extra money for a good one. (Didn’t realize they were Chinese at first)

    That being said, I have 2 metal shackles and unless I do find a good deal on some extra ones I’ll be buying soft shackles before Moab.
     
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    Why did it take 5 pages to get to what is hopefully the end of the chinese metal debate?
     
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    oh I was arguing for sure this time, but wasn't proven wrong.

    that's where you all keep coming up mistaken.
     
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    everybody had to squawk their opinions on the matter.

    I'll stop sharing links, my bad.
     
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