3rd Gen Owners with King Coilovers

I've 700s with less than three threads showing both sides and it lifted my front like 2.5" after it settled.

 

Wow, see this is what is crazy bc I see reports of this, then see guys saying they have 10-15 threads showing. So Im just unsure, as much as i hate to say it this guy may just have to install them and see what's there, then pull back off and make adjustments if needed. Do you have any additional weight on there?

 

Yeah I was told by DSM that every 5 full turns of adjustment is 1 inch of lift.

This I need to know as well, every truck will be different but getting a straight answer on this has been hard. I'm hard pressed to believe mine are set for 2+ inches lift by king like I was told, but I may be wrong. Check my pic above to see the threads/lack of showing from when I received them.

Sick sick truck, love the stance too.

Idk about threads but I was told 5 full turns of adjustment.

I was told 2+ish

how many threads are you showing?Spring rate?any additional weight?

Do you know how many threads should be visible for the supposed 2 inch setting?

See my pic above, does that coincide with a 2 inch preset?I honestly.i dont know so trying to get some feedback.

Wondering if this is what I got?How many threads were yours showing when you got them in?

That sounds like a lot from what others seem to run,how much lift does this achieve or does anyone know how many total threads they have?

 

Ok Mack411-here you go
We just put 700's on one of our trucks. Steel flat top Demello bumper. 100lbs. Winch/synthetic x2o Smittybilt 10k weighs almost 80lbs. Steel skids and sliders. Group 27 AGM. We have 34" tires. The shocks are 25001-119A Ext.

9 threads on driver side and 6 on passenger. Gets us a 2.75" lift up front. Each full (clockwise/preload) turn is almost a 1/4" lift gained.

(we calculate lift on the 3rd gens the same we so on 2nd gens. We use a baseline of 20" from center hub to bottom fender, not 21" because the factory spring is 1" longer on the Gen 3's. But the control arms upper and lower are the same as the Gen 2's. So overall lift should be 22.75" ch-bf. If you are at 23.75" too much)

 

Sounds like a plan, thank you very much. I told him to set them at the same as you did,I have an ome hd full pack in the rear. What's your rear set up?Are you level or have rake?Any pics of stance?

 

You're welcome. Maybe not a fair representation. The RTT is loaded plus we have a set of sliders in the rear not yet mounted. But we have the Deaver U402 Expedition pack. Fully loaded still has about 3/4" - 1" of rake. (34" tires take up some space)

 

Awesome thank you for sharing, I used your adjustments and I guess we'll see how it goes, I'll hurray make adjustments if/as needed. Anyone know where to get one of these wrenches that make adjusting easier?I can't find one for the kings.

 

This is the one im going to buy.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/kss-25308-100/overview/make/cobra/model/king

 

New kings come with that tool and it sucks, that's why I was asking about the spanner wrench specifically. If you haven't bought your king's wait bc the tool should be in the box!I'm wanting something like this but without paying $90 .I really think they should be included at the price we pay, but if course that would be just my opinion.

 

Hmm, I didn't see one in my box but I'll check again when I get home. Everywhere I've read has said using a spanner style wrench doesn't work very well because there isn't room for it in the coil bucket. and to get the style I linked or use a 5/16 punch.

 

I am so royally confused on lift heights out of the box vs factory, etc.

Based on a conversation I had with my shock vendor this morning, when my Kings arrive, they'll be set by King themselves to just +1" since King considers our 3rd gen trucks already lifted +1" from the factory -- resulting in what King then calls a "2 inch lift." I was told that if I don't adjust anything out of the box, my truck will only achieve an additional 1" of lift.

The same is allegedly true for the Icon RXT leaf springs I'm getting -- which means their Option 1 setting is actually just +0.875" instead of the +1.875" they have in all their marketing literature and instructions. Apparently, all shock and lift manufacturers include the 3rd gen's +1" from the factory in their lift height totals?

Is that REALLY true? If so, how am I supposed to ACTUALLY get a 2" lift? Do I really need to pre-load an additional inch on the Kings and use Option 2/3 on the Icon leaf kit just to achieve a REAL 2" lift? When people on TW discuss their 3rd gen lifts, is EVERYONE including the 1" extra we supposedly have from the factory, or are they ACTUALLY lifting their trucks 2-3 inches? What does this mean for determining cv angle problems ahead of time? Which measurement do I use for that? Do I include the factory +1" in that decision, or ignore it?

Seriously, just when I thought I figured this out, I'm completely lost again... any help, either here or in a pm, would be much appreciated. My parts are going to sit in their boxes until I actually understand wth is going on...lol

I want my front hub-to-fender measurement to increase 2" - 2.25" and the truck to sit level. How the #$%& do I accomplish that?

Edit: Please forgive my rant. I just....... yeah.

 

ch-bf front= to achieve a 2.5" - 2.75" lift your measurement should be 22.5"-22.75"
Option 1 RXT, ch-bf rear= it will achieve a 1.875" lift over stock, your measurement should be 23.875" (basically 23 3/4")

use 20" in front as a baseline and 22" in rear as a baseline for stock ch-bf measurements.
Gen 3's sit at around 21"(because of a longer spring in those models) Your UCA and LCA are still the same length as a Gen 2's, which sit 20" ch-bf, that's why I say use 20" as a baseline, in front and 22" in rear when determining your overall lift #'s

 

***just re read your post---on trying to level truck out
You will have issues with pre load, cv angles and down travel. To get the truck to ride level at 23.875" with the RXTs, requires 3.875" of pre load in the front. You can possibly get away with 2.75-3" of front lift-add some weight in the rear and it may look close to level.

 

To me, the words "stock" height would refer to what one receives from the factory prior to making any aftermarket changes, regardless of whatever random measurements previous generations may have had. How are previous generations even relevant? Why would vendors include any portion of the current stock height in their lift height totals when marketing their parts/kits? That makes exactly zero sense to me. To me, installing a "2 inch lift" would mean whatever stock height I have right now from the factory plus 2 inches. In what world would some other meaning even make sense?

I've re-read your post five times, but I'm still lost. There's no way I'm understanding this correctly... lol

shit.

 

Full steel skids and sliders. I'd probably turn the driver side 1 more thread to combat the taco lean though. I still need to do that.

 

Some manufacturers have updated 2016+ lift recommendations. I am not sure King has. Last check they still recommend a max of 2.5" for 05-current Tacomas.

For example ICON in their descriptions (recently updated) now say their shocks can get up to up to 2.75" on the 16-19s but 3.5" of lift on the 05-15 Tacomas. So they have finally accounted for the 16s+ to be an inch higher from the factory or "stock" now because they realized consumers were using their current specs center hub to bottom fender and then setting lift and pre load.

Prior to these updates, the relevance/importance of letting our customers know that the shock manufacturers were still using older generation specs and that they were not accounting for the extra 1" that 3rd gens came with. Some 3rd gen folks were thinking they could buy these shocks and get 3.5" over current height until updates were made. Reality is too much preload, bad cv angles and limited down travel #'s if lifting above 3".

 

I honestly can't believe I'm paying nearly $5k for just +1.5" of lift (over stock), but I guess it is what it is -- the former Jeeper in me is freaking out, though!

I don't have any additional weight on my truck yet, so I think I'll stick with Option 1 on the Icon RXTs, give each front shock two (2) full twists to add a little pre-load, and then just hope for the best when it comes to final results.

Thank you for taking the time to explain the situation to me!

 

Ahh man you can safely get close to 2" over all lift out of the shocks from where your truck sits now with the Kings. Target close to 23" center hub to bottom fender. It puts you at a 3/4" rake in the rear with RXTs at option 1 or how they sit now shipped from the factory. Regardless you will love these shocks and what they are capable of man!

 

New update fellas
Got these back from Powdercoat. Can’t wait to get these on!!

 

Yep the price on that small amount of lift is worth it. The ride is nowhere comparable to say a 6” drop bracket lift. How gross and terrible those ride.