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Christian or Catholic?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by Snowmang, Jul 15, 2010.

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Christian or Catholic

Poll closed Aug 14, 2010.
  1. Christian

    65 vote(s)
    55.6%
  2. Catholic

    52 vote(s)
    44.4%
  1. Jul 22, 2010 at 3:33 PM
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    JDMcQ

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    good enough for me. Thanks.
     
  2. Jul 22, 2010 at 3:47 PM
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    I absolutely love guys like you! It took me a long time not to be afraid of guys like this in some weird way. He is telling me I am wrong - that is what I heard - not what he said.

    To me, now, they are saved in many ways! For those that don't get it. I understand and that is okay with me. To others that do - I get inspired by you too!

    To be able to know (or at least strive to know) "I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength!" is an amazing position to put your mind in.

    For those that think that this is a fairy tale or something like that - well if someone was delusional, and we all are to some extent! :eek:, and believed that "I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength!" wouldn't this world be a better place; Not the meanings that you have associated with people who believe this, but just the thought of someone having confidence that they are given strength and support though the hardships of life!

    With that I can truly feel I am blessed. Thank you and good nite!! ;)
     
  3. Jul 22, 2010 at 3:50 PM
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    Was that opinion based upon your 12 years following Mother Teresa while she was working in the slums of India or was that a different experience?

    [​IMG]

    If you were molested by someone. My heart goes out to you. If you are using the molestation thing to support some hate that you have... My heart goes out to you.
     
  4. Jul 22, 2010 at 4:20 PM
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  5. Jul 23, 2010 at 3:52 AM
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  6. Jul 23, 2010 at 4:22 AM
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    I totally agree with the video. I Hate religion
     
  7. Jul 23, 2010 at 11:14 AM
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    Do you hate religion, or do you really dislike people who claim to be religious?
     
  8. Jul 23, 2010 at 2:41 PM
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  9. Jul 23, 2010 at 3:13 PM
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  10. Jul 23, 2010 at 3:15 PM
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    'You say I am pushing my beliefs - I am just asking if you are saying something like "All gay guys do such and such" - is just wrong I know some gays that act like hetrosexuals. Like all 'organized religions' comments are just a bit to narrow for me. If you are saying I am narrow minded in hatred for everyone based on the actions of a few - then I may be narrow minded. I'm okay with that."

    Where did I say that?... you must be confusing my response with someone elses?

    "I do not believe in large government. I was just asking the question as it relates to large organizations like 'organized religions' and 'government.' I like some of the benefits but dislike some of the players. I hope I recognize the difference. It is not all black and white although many in the attempt to be right believe that all things have a higher contrast then they really do."

    OK... so no problems there.....seems like you are confusing other responses here.

    "Just on home loans for a minute - that is not a free market. The only reason that we don't pay 20-30% on a loan is because the government set up programs in the 20-30's to keep the masses from renting from the few. These were loan guarantees - partially contributing to our financial issues today."

    Sorry, but dead wrong there.... Don't know where your MBA training came from but mine did not include anything even similar to this theory. If you want to blame someone for the current mess, talk to Barney Frank et al.

    "What did I say that was interpreted as to what the government should do?"

    See above...it can easily be read as big government is good. If that is not a correct... I am fine with it as an "observation".

    "The seemingly unrelated blabber about having large groups interact was not unrelated"

    No idea what you are talking about...

    " - they were questions that do relate to human behavior and how religious organizations have helped far more than they have hurt."

    Sorry, but is an opinion, not a fact.
     
  11. Jul 26, 2010 at 9:56 PM
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    Okay I'll take the bait...

    You didn't learn about the secondary market for loans and how that all started to 'remedy' the fight in the 20's and 30's between the haves (landlords) and the have-nots (the tenants). Fannie Mae 1938.

    This is also why 4 units and under are much cheaper to finance. Ever try to get a loan on commercial property? More than 5 units were considered only affordable to the 'rich.'

    Anyway that may have included some study of US History too.

    That may have been brought up in my Art History class - sorry if you thought that was part of my MBA curriculum. :eek:

    Regarding the mortgages, - I was pointing out that their is a reason why we have low rates; Love or hate the government but any home buyer, fraudulent or not have been blessed with the guarantees afforded by the secondary mortgage market. When you have that type of system and then require loans to be made while looking the other way on the baseline tenets of finance risk/reward, you are bound to have issues.

    You can blame Barney or not. He is only one player. There are plenty of players for what ever reason chose not to challenge some stupid laws that was trying to apologize to the portion of our population that was just not motivated or capable enough to reap the blessings that this nation affords to all. Instead we made laws that required the financial institutions to make stupid loans to people who's feelings we didn't want to hurt. Kinda like making everyone a winner in schools!

    I don't hate you for what I perceive to be hatred for me!

    I just sense that if there was a light room and a dark room, you and I may choose different rooms.

    Best of luck regardless.
     
  12. Jul 26, 2010 at 10:05 PM
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    I'm not religious nor will I most likely ever be.

    I'm a very scientific person and like what I can see, physics, chemistry, the likes of which can be explained.

    It is called "Faith" for a reason, you place your "faith" in a higher being, I choose not to and that's what is great about this Country!
     
  13. Jul 26, 2010 at 10:10 PM
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    Understand completely! (Undergrad started in Fine Arts/Archetecture and ended in Mech/Aero Engr) Physics explained everything. I used to have a recurring dream/nightmare that there was a 64 variable equation that, if solved, would result in the perfect relationship! :D
     
  14. Jul 26, 2010 at 10:10 PM
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    Catholics are Christians. It should be Protestant or Catholic.
     
  15. Jul 26, 2010 at 10:16 PM
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    Or you could extend that just a bit and say Republic of Ireland or Northern Ireland! :eek:
     
  16. Jul 26, 2010 at 10:53 PM
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    Agnostic here.

    The way I see it, if it makes you happy and your not harming anyone else, than so be it. It it makes your life easier, than so be it. There is no wrong religion.

    *Please note* As I type this, there is a priest, etc. somewhere who is fondling a 10yr
    old. Telling them that this is how "god" intended it to be.
     
  17. Jul 26, 2010 at 10:56 PM
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    Or you mean like the Agnostic pedophiles? The ones that are saying "Oh god!" (as opposed to "Oh God") :p
     
  18. Jul 27, 2010 at 12:29 AM
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    No, Agnostic like I am not easily fooled into believing everything that I am told. Agnostic as in I personally don't believe in miracles, nor fairytales.
    Agnostic as in I realize that most people who claim to be religous are nothing more than pretenders. Agnostic as in I only believe what has been proven, not what one wishes to be.

    Its truly amazing the responses I get when I mention that a Priests, or someone of the like, is at this moment molesting a child somewhere. Almost as if the people, such as yourself, are in total denial of it. As if it never happens, when in fact it is.
     
  19. Jul 27, 2010 at 9:23 AM
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    You think I am in denial - I'm not. I have a sister that was molested by a Priest so I think I know what you mean. I am saying that is a human thing it's not a church thing - If the church covers it up, it's a human thing and a church thing.

    Now for what is a subset of what meaning: I would love to see the rate of molestation amongst the general population and any church group.

    Dr. Gene Abel estimates that between 1% and 5% of our population molest children. - CNN Specials Transcript #454-Thieves of Childhood.

    Nearly all the offenders in sexual assaults reported to law enforcement were male (96%).
    - Sexual Assault of Young Children as Reported to Law Enforcement, 7/00, NCJ 182990, U.S. Department of Justice


    Adults were the offender in 60% of the sexual assaults of youth under age 12. Rarely were the offenders of young victims strangers. Strangers were the offender in just 3% of sexual assaults against victims under age 6 and 5% of the sexual assault of victimizations of youth ages 6 through 11.
    -Sexual Assault of Young Children as Reported to Law Enforcement, 7/00, NCJ 182990, U.S. Department of Justice

    Do you belong to any group? Chess group? chroceting group? - j/k = but really, I am sure you wouldn't mind me finding the most deviant member of your group and then say you are that person. Right? Although you may not see the parallels in this discussion and how, if I chose, I could judge you by the least common denominator of 'your group.' I choose not to. :)

    Having to "see to believe" is a personal choice and I'm sure it works for you in the results that you get. Me I see to believe too. But where I may not see it in a physical state I see many things in the confines of my brain not knowing if it is real or not and I am okay with that! Examples are I can see my friends succeeding in overcoming their challenges. I can see my loved ones healing when they are sick. If I am delusional I am okay with that and enjoy the thoughts that we can only achieve what we can believe.

    I don't act as though molestation never happens - I realize it has happened and as long as there will be doctors, clergy, neighbors, uncles, teachers, coaches, brothers and TV repairmen, etc. There will be pedophiles. Sorry that it isn't easy to put everyone in that small box you look to be using.
     
  20. Jul 27, 2010 at 12:31 PM
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    This is getting to complicated!!!!
     

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