2016 OVTune Tacoma 3.5L Manual Transmission / Engine ECU Reflash

I would be a fan of removing that switch from the equation. It could be a permanent Clutch Start Cancel situation. I have had cars (2001 saab) and bikes (2013 Ural) that came that way from the factory and have modded others to act that way. For as trouble prone as I am, I have never had a problem in this situation and it has helped, just like CSC does at times.

Yes. We would be taking some personal responsibility since the Taco would move if in gear. This might cross that line that @OVTune might not want to cross with respect to safety systems though?

 

I believe we are talking about switches at opposite ends of the clutch stroke - you: clutch start sw, engages when you mash the pedal. me: the CC switch, that engages when the pedal is pretty much all the way out. This is the sucker I'm interested in!

 

Ah. Why not both?

 

Good question!
You just know without that safety switch, someone would destroy a garage door/house etc . Oh wait, that's only a problem on an A/T with "too aggressive" tip in

 

I've seen plenty of ATs do that, and not one MT that I can think of? Hell, it appears some are even confused about Gearlock.

It would certainly have to come with a firm disclaimer about personal responsibility.

My folks had a riding mower that was a total PoS. It had a safety switch that would cut the motor if you tried to reverse with the deck down. Thankfully there was a somewhat sensible person at the company. If I hulled out all the yellow wires, I got starting in gear, reverse with the deck down, and could stand up without killing the motor. I was one happy kid and did train the folks on the changes. They weren't too happy initially but did come around to the dark side.

 

I have been thinking about that but haven't tried to sort out the potential problems yet.

 

I don't understand how anyone who drives a MT would be okay with excessive rev hang.

 

"excessive" is the key here. Even in a direct linkage system there is some amount of maintained engine rev when you let off. It's the maintained revs when you let off, along with the response lag in application of throttle, that I find off-putting.
We would never be so accommodating if the brakes were to stayed engaged when we let off the pedal or if there was a delayed response in brake apply after pushing on the center pedal.

 

I agree with your "drop to idle" comparison. Again, it's the "excessive" or "maintained" or "prolonged", that most of us are against.

 

As an example for me... On my daily return home from, I pass through a small town when the open road speed of 55 MPH is reduced to 50 then 35, then 25 . I reach the edge of town, clutch in, and neutral and roll through town until posted speed picks back up to 35 the 50 and out to 55 on the open road again. Barring any traffic entering the lane or slowing in front of me to turn, I can coast for about a mile.
Another example would be in town, (granted small Midwest town), light turns green, up to 3rd gear, then clutch in and cost to next light, as applying brake. Because if there are enough cars in front of you, you won't catch the next green light.
Or when slowing down in a lane of traffic approaching a red light. Clutch in to neutral, coast to a stop as applying brake, or grab a gear and rev up if your lucky enough to get the green light before you actually stop.

 

Where I grew up, we used to call this "miser's overdrive"

 

Again, not a problem. We just don't like it. The words that have been used, ("excessive" or "maintained" or "prolonged"), are truly subjective. It does seem though, that there is a large group of us with a similar perception.

 

I will admit that for me, rev hang is at best, an inconvenience. EDIT: perhaps "annoyance" is a better word.
Also note, that I agreed earlier today about lag in response.

On this point, I think just about everyone here would agree.

 

Usually it’s most annoying for me from 1 to 2. There’s such a difference between the two, it can seem like an eternity for the revs to fall if you get on it a little. Or just slam it and give yourself whiplash.

 

Exactly, and to a certain extent 2nd to 3rd too. So you have three choices then, a) release the clutch when the engine is still high in the rev and spin the tire/bog down b) wait for what feels like an eternity before clutching c) shift at a lower rev.

My friend who drives sport car since he got his license thought I missed my shifts because I was waiting for the rev to drop.

 

EXACTLY! /\ /\/ \ /\ This!!!

option b). let off the throttle a little. not full release, expecting the engine to wind down with the position of the pedal to get good rev matched shift ... not so much. you wait for the computer say its ok. or option C) granny shift.

 

If you think we are fussing about this, wait till the DFCO/engine braking argument pops up again. I'll say it right now, if a guy doesn't tow or go off road, he won't understand what we're yapping about.... yet to some (like me), it's annoying as hell.

 

Yep. People just need to drive through some mountains and they’ll understand. Or find something to tow.

I was actually back in 2wd today and to enjoy the sub 2000 rpm fuckery again

 

I see my earlier reply was vague...

I was told by someone who worked at a distribution terminal that, in this case, 87 and 93 are mixed at the truck rack while being pumped into the tanker truck to make 89. IOW, mid-grade is not mixed at the station as you pump it into your tank.

Plus, I want to say I have been at stations that have run out of one grade; but, still had the other two. Anyone?

Do you have any info on this?