2018-2019 Tacoma; Modified Vehicle Handling Process Update

Really... sight the applicable US code please

 

Yeah I don’t think those numbers seem even close to reasonable. I wouldn’t take his word as gold

 

15 USC Ch. 50: CONSUMER PRODUCT WARRANTIES
From Title 15—COMMERCE AND TRADE
CHAPTER 50—CONSUMER PRODUCT WARRANTIES
Sec.
2301.
Definitions.
2302.
Rules governing contents of warranties.
2303.
Designation of written warranties.
2304.
Federal minimum standards for warranties.
2305.
Full and limited warranting of a consumer product.
2306.
Service contracts; rules for full, clear and conspicuous disclosure of terms and conditions; addition to or in lieu of written warranty.
2307.
Designation of representatives by warrantor to perform duties under written or implied warranty.
2308.
Implied warranties.
2309.
Procedures applicable to promulgation of rules by Commission.
2310.
Remedies in consumer disputes.
2311.
Applicability to other laws.
2312.
Effective dates.
___________________________________________

There's also common law overlaps as well as whatever state protections you would be eligible under. ✌️

 

Agreed. Dealers won't "hold" your vehicle for something like this.

 

Excellent, now let’s see someone take Toyota to court/arbitration and win...

 

A long as they didn't modify their vehicle which could potentially affect the performance of the sensor, they'd stand an excellent chance of winning.

 

Agreed... now let’s see someone actually do it as such would be valuable for those others complaining about this Toyota action.

 

Hmm. The entire point of this thread is inadequate water protection.

How easy it is to forget the last Toyota water protection problem. They didn't win their arbitration/court settlement either.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-toyota-settlement-idUSKBN1370PE

Did aftermarket tires cause the frame rust? Did aftermarket tires cause the leaky sensor now? It's up to Toyota to say so if they deny warranty repairs because of it.


Edit: the whole reason you don't hear about Toyota losing lawsuits, is they're smart enough to settle. Every. Time...
They know they don't have a leg to stand on, it's just up to the consumer unfortunately to make them honor the warranty.

 

If you read the notice in post #1, it talks a lot about sensor alignment. If the sensor is not aligned properly, what warranty would Toyota have to honor?

 

The point of this is just to inform people of what Toyota has said about this. Everything from there will be a case by case basis..

You should all know, the squeaky wheel gets the grease..

Or in this case, the leaky sensor, gets the seal

 

I don't know if "unsafe" is the correct word to use , but I do know this: Your trucks insurance rates are based upon the fact that you have the "TSS" on your truck. Vehicles with the safety stuff manufactured on the said vehicle usually get lower rates applied to them. This is definitely the case with AAA insurance co.

 

Agreed, but that is usually after studies of accident rates have been considered and are rolled into their actuarial tables. TSS-P discounts may happen during role out but might be affected by real life stats down the road. If data comes back that TSS-P or similar vehicles are having the same number of accidents and claim amounts, then the discount will certainly disappear.

I see state level claims and personal details / driving record having a much greater effect. Down the road when truly autonomous features are certified, that will be a game changer. For now, I am content in my non-TSS-P life. We made a similar decision with our Forester that had an option EyeSight system. Not thanks, esp on the first generation of it.

 

Yes and no, the problem with insurance these days is they still use algorithms from the 70s and 80s. If your area had a high rate of car thefts, or radios stolen out of them, your rates will reflect. If your area had a higher number of young drivers, your rates will reflect. If your particular model of car had a lot of bad things happen to it, rates will reflect.

The newer safety stuff will reflect on rates, but at such a lower scale that you can literally see just a few dollars of a difference just by quoting the exact same vehicle without the safety stuff.

Insurance companies use those outdated methods because it’s simply more money in the long term for them. If they updated those algorithms and used modern day factors, rates would fluctuate so much that they couldn’t hold the market.

So realistically, this safety sensor that Toyota has on the Taco, really doesn’t save you much.

This is coming from intimate knowledge of insurance underwriting....

 

Be sure to tell your insurance co. so they can raise your insurance rates as well!

 

However my rates actually went down after we got our 15 Subaru (with Eyesight) after getting rid of our 08 CRV. Same two drivers same coverage. The change actually surprised our agent who writes our policies

 

LOL, sorry if this comes off being dickish, couldn't resist

If you read the notice in post #1, then researched what it applied to (remedy K0B), it's a faulty water seal that apparently Toyota recommends not correcting until you remove aftermarket tires (among other things). This refusal to fix their shit is what I'm against. I'm pretty sure that goes against the above referenced federal laws.
If they remove a thing, apply a seal, then reattach it, they need to recalibrate it, or at least try. If they refuse to recalibrate it, that's my issue. If the customer doesn't recalibrate it after getting an alignment done, or changing tires, or replacing the grill, then the liability rests on the customer.

Remedy Notice K0B copy/pasted below:

SPECIAL SERVICE CAMPAIGN K0B (Remedy Notice) - Certain 2018 – 2019 Model Year Tacoma and Tundra - Millimeter Wave Radar Sensor
Status
Remedy Available
Description
The involved vehicles are equipped with a Pre-Collision System (PCS) that may automatically apply the brakes if the system detects a potential collision. Due to the mounting of one of the system’s sensors, it is possible for water to enter the sensor. This can lead to PCS deactivation or inadvertent brake activation resulting in limited deceleration for a short duration of time.
Remedy
Any authorized Toyota dealer will update the PCS software and apply sealer to the millimeter wave radar sensor in the front grille. In the rare case that the vehicle is currently exhibiting the condition, dealers will diagnose the sensor and replace the sensor, as necessary, FREE OF CHARGE.
Campaign Date
March 28, 2019
Dealer Reference ID
K0B



Edit, updating the software is what I talk about calibration.

 

People read the manual? JK... yeah it says that but it needs to be turned off each time the vehicle is started. Not many will do that even if they remember. Far to easy to forget and leave it on. I'd consider that unsafe. There really needs to be away to turn PCS off until you turn it back on again even if you need to look at the annoying light.

 

I can assure you the Eyesight had such a small factor to do with that drop that it’s dollars. Generally In a situation like that, the factors would be, has the CRV had more accidents than the Subaru in your region, what’s the cost to repair the CRV vs the Subaru, etc etc. sadly, it has little to do with the drivers themselves or the safety equipment in the vehicle.

Edit: insurance companies are in it to make money, regardless of what those commercials lead people to believe

 

If you turn it off one time, that should suffice (from the wording used on this thread, if you summarized, that's on you lol). It's Toyota that turned it back on, liability should revert to the last entity that enabled/disabled it.

 

That, and that fact that Subaru is striving to become the new Volvo. They seem to do very well in real world accidents.