2018-2019 Tacoma; Modified Vehicle Handling Process Update

Perfect example, did you know that some insurance companies like mine for example will literally total a car like Toyota if the airbags have been deployed. Even if the deployment was simply from a small fender bender that happened to hit the sensors and just the right way, and caused the airbags to deploy.

Their reasoning is because according to them, airbags have to be shipped directly from Japan, and the vehicle is not safely drivable till the airbags have been replaced. And for some odd reason airbags can take up to 45 days to come from Japan for one individual vehicle. So the insurance would have to pay for storage of the vehicle for 45 days plus the airbags and the installation of the airbags with replacement of the sensors and lines. According to their cost analysis, it is actually cheaper for them to just total the vehicle then to do all of that other stuff.

This happened to me first hand.

 

Not at all!

I wonder if Toyota is concerned about implied warranty. Let's say they fix all affected vehicles, no questions asked. Wouldn't that imply that Toyota warranties the sensor to be fully functional in spite of mods done to the truck? They already state that mods can affect the sensor alignment and should be disengaged so why fix something that won't work as designed anyways. I think they are definitely looking at potential liability down the road.

 

You know, I’m curious to know why Toyota even decided to put this sensor in before updating the basics, like moving up from the tiny ass nav screen or adding fully adjustable seats or the addition of vented seats. Not that any of this is necessary, but it’s like they skipped a few additions and went right to this sensor when even their other higher end vehicles like the 4Runner don’t even have it

 

I find it ironic a safety system has a recall due to it not being safe, but ultimately Toyota wont fix certain trucks because they think the modifications make the vehicles unsafe. Also, until a manufacturer figures out a way to have these systems not be defeated by a smudge of dirt or snow on the sensors, I'll stick with vehicles that do not have them equipped.

 

Interesting. I figure they cover themselves enough by stating don't modify your vehicle in the owners manual. It's up to the customer who sues to prove negligence I believe. I'm fine with taking that risk.
The only issue Toyota has is the false braking part, which should be by far the lesser issue (and I believe the whole point of the recall. Water droplets causing false positives and slamming on the brakes) than not applying the brakes in the first place, which the customer has been warned it won't if they modify.

4runners getting it for 2020. Same reason the Rav4 and sedans got it before the Tacoma, sales volume and profits.

I believe this sensor enables adaptive cruise (plz correct if wrong) and I care about that far more than the emergency braking.

 

in 2020 I think all vehicles have to have them. Unfortunately you wont be able to avoid it forever.

 

Long enough for truly certified autonomous systems to launch. My horizon is about 15yrs down the road, minimum.

 

good luck and may the autonomous robots not facilitate you sooner

 

Thanks, but I still see 1980s Big3 shitboxes roaming around here and packs and packs of 1st Gen Tacos in great shape. Mine should make it to 2034 with no problem.

 

may your next steed be a beautiful shit box

 

That's the goal!

Hell, my bike is creeping up on 20yrs old. It had the easy life for the first 8yrs before I bought it.

 

Probably 99.99% of owners will never do a mod more than stock sized all terrain tires. Bunch of snowflakes in here think that Toyota should go out of their way to accommodate them and all their mods that they don't even use.

 

Bam! Here's ya'll truth for the day.

 

Agreed, but I also gotta see the other side too. These days in America, people simply don’t have the TIME to go out there and hit trails and camp in their $2,000 roof top tent and take pictures for social media to prove they off road. The rest of the 99% have families to feed and jobs to go to and bills to pay and daily drivers to maintain. Not everyone is sponsored or has the money to spend on a pair of shocks that they’ve seen on a truck in KOH only to have those same shocks rebuilt a year later.

For the rest of the 99%, it’s about the joy of building and the ABILITY to do the trails if they ever get or need to.

Most of the guys that spend all the money on high priced mods don’t even use them more than a couple times a year (check the forums for how many RTTs being sold ). And then you got the “hardcore” guys that hit the trails for the gram all day, but still have everything put on by the shop cause they sure as hell don’t know how to .

 

This comment is the winner so far. I thought Tacoma owners would be smarter but this thread is showing the exact opposite. It is painful. Many of you are missing the reason why Toyota/dealers will not complete the TSS recall on your lifted/China Pro grille truck, the software update that needs to be applied. This software update I would bet is applied using the Toyota diagnostic tool & goes off your VIN. So let say you installed a Pro grille on your Sport. The issue is the location of the sensor is different between the two so is the calibration I bet. The tech can not select the "Pro" calibration manually either. It is a liability thing as we all know how sue happy we are in the states. Toyota doesn't want another "floor mat" fiasco on there hands either.

 

And BAM another dose of truth for the day!

 

Say what you like -- All I know is that when we sold the 08 CRV and got the 15 Subie -Same coverage -same company - same 2 drivers -- with a 8 years NEWER car. Our rates went down. The agent actually checked it with AAA to make sure there was no mistake, and he stated that it WAS due to the "eyesight" addition to the Outback.
Maybe they don't do it nowadays as more and more cars are getting the systems standard, But it DID cause our rates to go down. You are welcome to call our agent a liar if you like -but I will trust his honesty. I doubt they did it out of kindness!

 

Not what I’m saying. As I stated, factors like the amount of CRVs that get into accidents vs Subaru’s in your area factor in. As well as cost to fix each car after an accident. I used to work as in insurance underwriter. I know the algorithms. Eyesight would drop a rate like 15 bucks a month. So it’s more than likely that CRVs in your area had a higher crash rate to the Subaru, Which is why your rate was better or the same. Even with a newer car

 

I don't doubt you. Our insurance rates became very favorable due to purchasing 2 new Toyotas with the safety sense features.

 

Accommodate is usually different than active sabotage.