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Your views on the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

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  1. Aug 9, 2010 at 1:18 PM
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    aficianado

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    potsdam declaration..basically an ultimatum to japan..surrender or else. they responded by stating that they would never give up..something about fighting to the last man..so we held up our end and dropped the bombs..

    ended that war relatively quick..but at what price? started the nuclear age..everyone ramped up bomb building.

    i went to a japanese wedding a few years ago..i heard stories from old ladies. they said they could walk across rivers on the bodies of the dead..it was a logjam of bodies!!

    i also heard my mom's stories..japanese raping the chinese..google "comfort women". the last comfort woman died a few years ago..what she went thru at the hands of the japanese soldiers..wow. my mom said she had to dress like a homeless old woman..basically wipe human excrement on herself to stay under the radar to avoid rape. to this day, if i married a japanese woman, i dont know how she would feel. her friends were raped and killed.
     
  2. Aug 9, 2010 at 1:26 PM
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    On 9/12/2001 we should have dropped a few in the middle east. In other words, I feel we did the right thing. It's a shame that thousands of innocent Japanese had to die, but I believe many more lives were saved. I have a lot of respect for the Japanese and I'm glad we now have a great relationship with that country. JMO.
     
  3. Aug 9, 2010 at 1:28 PM
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    I believe if we hadn't bombed the Japanese mainland and instead chose to fight our way there island by island the devastation would have been much worse than what actually happened. Loss of life would have been much higher to both sides. Bombing and destruction would have been throughout the islands. Lastly, the Japanese would have done exactly this and much more if they had developed this weapon before us.
    Even before the A bomb we were dropping firebombs on their cities all the while knowing that it would cause firestorms. It was a World War and you don't fight a war by just bombing military installations. We you do this the military of many countries just build their factories and bases in the midst of the civilian populations.
    Ever wonder why we couldn't beat a country such as North Vietnam? We went around with one hand tied behind our backs.
    Had we bombed their capital cities early in the war before missiles came into wide use, there would have been no North Vietnam.
     
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    Here's food for thought- if the atomic bomb was invented pre-1930, do you think Germany would have invaded Poland?
     
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    My good friend and Political Science Professor was being starved down to 90 pounds in a Japanese POW Camp across the bay from where the bomb dropped. He told me that he danced when the bomb hit them. And that anyone who felt sorry for the Japanese needed to spend time in one of their POW camps. That experience would change their feelings too.
     
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    Now it should be N. Korea and Iran!!!!
     
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    we could use something similar now over in the sand pit...but I doubt it would make a difference over there
     
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    Hard to bomb some one back to the stone age when they're still there.

    And as stated earlier, we had been fire bombing Japan for years prior. That killed a lot more people than the nukes did.

    I think we were right to use them, and I believe that our use prevented any one else from doing so. No one really knew what was going to happen, and some of the Manhattan Project scientists were even concerned that the reaction would prove unstoppable. That the detonation would grow infinitely until all matter on the planet was consumed. If we hadn't used it someone else would have, and maybe with little or no restraint.
     
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    I totally agree!
     
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    Being that my father was in the Pacific and had fought through bloody battles at Okinowa and Leyte and was preparing to invade the main islands ,Hell yes! I would not have been born.:mad:
     
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    Actually the Germans were a RCH away from Atomic/Nuclear technology ( Look up Heavy Water ) , they already had the means of delivery by their unknowing developement of the first intercontinental balistic missile with the jet/rocket propulsion they had. Did we do the "Right" thing ? I don't think there is a "Right thing" when it comes to killing & war , only because to kill the mother fuckers that need killing, without exception theres going to be the deaths of innocent people that don't have a choice or a say in the matter, they're alot like us in that respect, just trying to get thru another day in one piece without the added aggrevation of a nuclear war !! & make no mistake about the nukes that were dropped on Japans cities, populated areas were the target with the goal being to kill & shock as many Japanese citizens as possible. & don't forget that prior to the Enola Gay missions . We were already carpet bombing with NAP (talk about your neighborhood barbeque) So not necessarily the "right" thing to do, but no doubt it was the "smart" thing to do....

    Ya know, as sick as it sounds Those detonations are eerily beautiful !! :D:eek:

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    And if you want to make Unit 731 look like pussies, look up the Catholic Church.

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    Apparently you have trouble distinguishing between "learning from" and "second guessing".
     
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    I never lived through those dark days. I was blessed with peace when I opened my eyes, but for the love of all good I can not believe that there are those that believe that the bombings are acts of terrorism on the US part. I just can not fathom that thinking. :mad:

    What about the atrocities they committed to the Asian nations and its citizens? Stories that will make your blood boil. My grandfather (father side) is a guerilla fighter during WW II (AO is Laguna, Rizal and Bulacan). He had witnessed first hand the monstrosity that the enemy soldier had inflicted on our people. Do you think its just fable when you heard Japanese soldiers throwing babies up in the air and catching them with bayonets? How about the comfort women you have heard/read about? They kidnapped young women and locked them up and takes them out of the cages just to be sexually molested, raped and beaten. How they round up the villagers and seek the ones who are educated and mows them down with MG fire? Oh how about the multiple beheadings these people do just because they were insulted when a Filipino refused to bow to them in greeting? I never need to elaborate what they did at the Bataan Death March. My grandfather up to now has a hard time thinking that we have became friends to these once bitter enemies.

    The war ended and it was because Japan and Germany had lost the capability and will to continue their aggression. Focusing on Japan, they have pledged that they will fight to the last person if we continue the fight. Can you blame them? They worship their emperor and to them he is a god. They will give up their lives to protect him that is their way of life. If the emperor says we go and annhiliate (sp?) the Americans they will do so. It reminded me of an old Japanese proverb: "Life is light as a feather compared to one's duty." Therefore life for them whether theirs or their enemies' is of little matter. As long as they fulfilled their duty to the emperor they are honored and willing to die. Shame for them is worse than death.

    Now how can the US deal with that? We finally decided to use the bomb. Sure it killed a lot of civies, those civies are the ones manning the war factories in that area. The Japanese empire was shook from its foundation. Then we dropped the 2nd and finally they gave up.

    Have you seen the footages when US Marines fought for Guam and the Japanese civies believing the USGIs will kill, rape and torture them just commited mass suicides and all? That is how brainwashed they were.

    I say we did the right thing and saved thousands upon thousands of US soldiers and we saved the Japanese from themselves. Now let peace prevail between us US and Japan. Honor our fallen form both sides because we learned a very valuable lesson.
     
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    I have newer thought of this event in other form than an black spot in history, like every other event that involves killing and suffering people. But I also realize that my opinions are formed on the fact that I am born and raised in a country that has never been involved in war and has no armed forces and therefor no real understanding of conflicts between countries
     
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