Will Toyota ever build a bigger torque engine?

They need the 2.8 l diesel here

 

Sure, once they go ev. Way more torque, faster, no vroom though. Lots of resistance to that last bit, people seem really hung up on noise. Reminds me of playing cards in spokes. Ask people who have to live near a highway though.

 

Turbos more complex and engine durability probos

 

The present version of Globalism was mostly invented America, however I’m not sure it’s the evil people make it out to be.

Protectionist economies that do not engage in open global trade generally decline and ultimately fail . Trading is part of human history, and is the way our societies progress both socially and technologically. We have the Chinese of past generations to thank for many technological advancements we presently take for granted.

There is a strong chance things would be even worse in the US today if protectionist policies had taken hold in the 80’s and 90’s. The good standard of living most Americans enjoy, might be a product of globalism, even if it seems not as good as it was 40 years ago. Globalism may have slowed the inevitable decline, as Asia rises in dominance, once again.

 

I looked at 1st gen back in 2004 then again in 2014. Locally, at that time they commanded a steep price for a nice example with low miles. Unrelated, but my dealer has a 1998 with 24k miles that’s currently not listed yet, but when it’s listed I believe they said they’ll be asking $25k.

 

They are commanding high prices because they are good vehicles with good gas mileage and insane reliability. If you can find one for cheap jump on it!

 

Only way Toyota will build a higher torque engine is unintentionally, in pursuit of higher EPA rated MPG numbers (small displacement turbo), not from frustration by owners that prove we will still buy them with a gutless minivan engine.

I would have gone with a canyon diesel if not for the cartoonish interior and lack of manual transmission. If Toyota dropped the manual I would probably switch, but wouldn't cause a market share drop to the point where they would do something innovative to the drivetrain.

 

Toyota is selling a ton of trucks. Why would they mess with a winning design? Unless EPA.... or California CARB BS.

 

The hilux's suspension is tuned to have much higher payloads compared to the Tacoma...Toyota could very easily offer different payload packages (with different suspension tuning) to accommodate different driver styles and preferences.

Some people want higher payload than the 1.2-1.3k lbs that the Tacoma currently offers.

 

I don't get all the Hilux comparisons, outside of the Toyota badge they are totally different trucks. Different frames, different engines, different transmissions, maybe they share brake drums or something else insignificant though.

 

Right after Toyota ditches the drum brakes in the rear.

 

Not for long.

 

They share the 2.7 2tr.

I don’t get it either. With the constant whining about luxury bullshit, 90% of this forum would hate the hilux. But they insist on more power when clearly they should have gotten a full size.

 

Could not have said it any better!

 

They do have to be cognizant of the competition Ford and Chevy is bringing with the new Ranger and Colorado, to not fall behind. But traditionally those in the lead, especially in a comfortable lead, will play it conservatily. Innovation is always a chancy thing. No one wants to be the person that's in the lead and F's it up by changing something that wasn't critical at that point in time. "Let the guy in 2nd place take the risk in innovating and if it works for him we can just make our own version of that innovation next year."

 

It’s not innovating to them. They’ve already mastered diesel pickups. They aren’t afraid of failing by introducing a diesel pickup. The whole world knows Toyota pickups, diesel or gasoline. They aren’t afraid of falling behind either. They are simply continuing to offer the same basic thing they have always offered us here. A small, durable light utility vehicle.

If I go to hanks vanilla ice cream cone stand, and get a vanilla cone, the same one he has been serving since before I was born, I expect a hanks vanilla cone. As I’m sitting there eating that cone, some guy next to me starts talking about how hank needs to keep up with the competition, because Terri’s soft serve fiasco shack is serving a chocolate/sprinkle cone. Meanwhile, hank don’t give a fuck, because his formula is how he INTENDED IT TO BE. It’s not a mistake that it’s just a freakin vanilla cone. It was deliberate. He has a formula.

Toyota has that same formula. Light utility pickup. Not a livestock hauler. Not a drag strip truck. It’s not that thing. It’s a thing that you drive on and off road and put reasonably sized things into the bed to get shit done. If you find yourself need to transport 20 head of angus cattle, you bought the wrong truck. If you find yourself cursing Toyota because you just moved to this new town and you had to drag race trucks in order to win one over the school bully and take his girl out on a date, well, it’s not Toyota’s fault. They didn’t make a mistake. It would be your fault, you should have bought that dodge hemi something something with the bee on the back.

 

I recall seeing an interview with Seatbelt Mike, he said by a far margin the number one thing mid-sized truck buyers were interested in was QDR. I just don't see Jeep, Chevy, or Ford threatening Toyota in Quality, Durability, or Reliability,

 

People just want another thing to complain about. Apparently nobody has driven trucks from at least 10 years ago or everyone just wants to be Mario Andretti in a midsize pickup. Power numbers have increased over the years along with efficiency. People actually want a midsize truck with big block torque, the ability to safely tow 8000lbs in the Rockies at 80mph, all while getting 30mpg

 

I agree. I’ll add that complaints are pretty standard. I can entertain complaints. But when people say Toyota made a mistake, or that they are at risk of losing that sales leadership spot because they aren’t offering X and Y, I just have to point out that they have been producing “weak” pickups since the get go. The whole charm of the truck is that while not powerful (they never were) they are dependable and don’t die. And the people who swear by them know/knew in full that it’s not a powerhouse, but it makes up for that with endurance... And that still rings true in my case. Speaking for myself, my truck is 10/10, exactly what I expected. A small (kinda) 4 banger with zero issues. None.

 

Some people enjoy talking about wanting the thing that's not attainable. If it does become available, it's like "oh that diesel is too expensive to maintain", "that powerful engine is a fuel pig", " the dog ate my homework"....imo, lol.

To people who appreciate pickup trucks, yes. Endless weekend people, not so much I guess.

And then those people become members of TW....lol