Will Toyota ever build a bigger torque engine?

world= West Coast

 

I am not grasping...I'm being realistic. You talk about an EV transition that is just around the corner, and yet you're oblivious to the fact that nearly all of the OEM's are still dumping major $ into internal combustion and hybrid technologies.

You should go read what Popular Science was predicting some 40-50 years ago...very similar to some of the hyperbolic, fantasy-based BS that you I see people spouting off nowadays.

Well the power plants that power and the farms that feed Silicon Valley may not be located in that very area, but they're located somewhere and they produce a lot of the air pollution, as do fires (natural and man made), generators, construction, manufacturing plants, and simply people walking and moving about...all of those activities throw particulates into the air which contribute to smog and pollution.

People want to live in this self-constructed fantasy where EV's roam and don't have any impact on the earth....except that all of the raw materials required for to build an EV and all of the power needed to recharge it still do come out of the earth (albeit in someone else's backyard) and the environmental damage is still quite significant. Like I said before, it's robbing Peter to pay Paul.

EV's won't be the technology that transforms our society...what will is some form of perpetual, self-sustained energy source (nuclear seems like the best bet at this point in time).

 

^^^^ I have put your two opposing paragraphs together as the contrast is illuminating. I think Popular Science is huge into self sustaining energy sources. Maybe cold fusion? Maybe dilithium crystals?

I have never mentioned anything about social transformation. I don’t believe we will be saved by technology, nor do I believe your ‘average joe’ even cares if we are saved because he’s got his own shit to deal with. I believe the EV shift will happen, and is happening, because they will be better vehicles. That’s all. More performance and greater reliability. We’ll burn the gas and coal that’s left to charge the batteries I’m sure.

Internal combustion engines are not a smart or efficient technology, they just fit the bill in their time. Any Motorsport that falls to EV, as they all will, will never be retaken by a “better gas engine”. No one cares anymore about better gas engines. EV propulsion is doubling in performance while they try for another .5% performance gain out of a gas engine.

Anyways......I gotta get back to the garage to complete my DPF delete, refill my DEF, and install my CAI.

Cheers!

 

Are you familiar with the advancements that have been made with regards to nuclear energy. That's currently the one avenue of technology that has the most potential for serving as a perpetual source of energy.

Popular Science has very likely written some articles about that topic. They also write a lot of articles about topics that have very little relevance or have unrealistic expectations. Go read some of their historical articles (40-50 years ago); writers were predicting that we'd be living like the Jetsons by this point in time. Lots of people and media outlets (Popular Science included) have been saying for at least 10 years now that the EV transition is right around the corner. How much longer do we have to wait before we acknowledge that transition isn't going to occur as quickly or as easily as we expected it to?

Nope, but you did imply that EV's would enable us to transition into a cleaner and healthier society. I'm pointing out that EV's are simply transferring the burden of pollution. Someone, somewhere will need to dig up the earth to provide raw materials and someone will need to run a bunch of power plants (most of which still rely on fossil fuels) in order to facilitate that transition.

More reliability? Greater performance? It's this kind of talk that motivated my earlier comments about hyperbolic BS. Tesla is currently ranked as one of the least reliable brands. And yeah sure, EV's will outrun just about any conventionally-powered vehicle, but after about 30-40 minutes of that kind of spirited driving, have fun sitting next to a charger for a half hour. I personally see greater "performance" in a vehicle that can cruise for several hundred miles in a self-sufficient manner down remote backroads...I really don't care about 0-60 times, and I suspect that many other truck owners don't care either.

I think the mental picture you have of EV's potential performance is very different from their current capabilities.

Again, maybe you should pick up a few news articles and research how OEM's are actually spending their money. Very few of them are focusing their future strategies purely on EV's. Arguably the majority seem to be trending towards hydrogen fuel cell, hybrid or more efficient gasoline and diesel designs. That would seem to contradict your theory that "no one cares." EV propulsion doubling in performance? No idea what you meant by that. Motorsports are still dominated by internal combustion engines. The only league where EV's have really taken hold is Formula E....you know why that league was created? Because the race organizers realized that current EV rigs wouldn't have a chance in hell of competing against gasoline or hybrid vehicles over a 2-3 hour race. Never mind the endurance racing series.

 

The downside of better gas mileage is the engine is getting more complicated and less reliable, inverse is true for tech leaps in EV.

I know it's coming but I'm going to miss the old days enough to not want to see it hurry.

I also know a unit of energy is never going to be cheaper than it is now. They'll always sell for whatever the market will bear even if fusion nukes appeared tomorrow.

 

Please provide a quote of something I have written on the subject of “a cleaner healthier society” so I can be sure you are not just ranting incoherently at the wrong person.

 

Is that the whole picture? (Might be). Does the STI come with the same suspension, interior, tech, etc as the lower wrx? If not, perhaps half that increase isn’t engine related. Also, one would argue that Econ 101 set the value of those ponies.... what people were willing to pay.

 

there's no ports in the silicon valley

 

Get a topographical map. That’s your only clue.

 

The most active port is in Oakland which 50 miles north. I don't think the breeze from that area reaches the Silicon Valley. It flows with the delta, which is I believe is why the Altamount pass windfarm is where it is.

 

You have a whole ocean next door. Smog settles in valleys.... do the math.

 

Wow. Eighteen pages of replies on a post created on May 17th. You really touch a nerve when you point out any inadequacies of the Tacoma around here.

 

What is this thread about again?

 

The 2020 Tacoma turbo diesel....lol

Good thread imo.

Thinking about EV/ autonomous tech, and had a few random comments not directed to anyone in particular:

ICE vehicles are somewhat akin to typewriters - full of moving parts that needed to work flawlessly to achieve their potential.

Once computers took over word processing, mechanical typewriters were replaced by cheap, easy to produce keyboards, in most of the developed world.

As for EV autonomous tech being far from full realization, two recent monumental accomplishments come to mind that were made possible through the percieved sense of "need"- the atomic bomb and landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to Earth (50 years anniversary soon, btw).

I also think it's funny how people can live with a tremendous power source, that provides basically everything we have, and take it more or less for granted - although we do dedicate a full day to it every week, on the day after Saturday, lol

Fwiw.

 

I mean really though, how many 'no's do you want to read before a thread gets unwoven.

 

Skipped to the end of this thread just to see how off topic it had gotten, LOL. Interesting discussion and warrants a lot more research. Agree with the robbing Peter to pay Paul viewpoint on the switch to EV when it comes to the sheer amount of raw materials it will require for storing electrical energy, but maybe at least using clean energy sources to charge them will be better for the environment. Solar, wind, tidal, all sources that naturally occur and can be harnessed. But all those batteries . . . still not sure of the environmental impact there.

Going back to the original post, I think the Tacoma is appropriately powered for its intended purpose, but it would be nice if they did the V8 option like they did with the 4Runner -- we have an '06 4Runner with the 4.7 with less than 70k miles that may just stay in the family forever. But to keep in line with government requirements, that was never going to happen. That might help a bit with towing, but for towing larger loads, having a bigger vehicle and a 5.7 would still be better.

I was reminded of this . . .

 

"inadequate"??? The Tacoma is not inadequate for it's intended purpose. The problem is people are trying to make it into something it's not and was never intended to be.

 

Yo mama so fat she got a schwarzchilds radius

 

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2019/04/report-toyota-tundra-tacoma-to-share-a-platform/