Thinking of trading in my 18 Taco for a full-size

You definitely put some time and thought into this. Great post.

My take on it, is that these are all fantastic trucks. It comes down to your personal performance needs and your opinion on the looks, comfort, etc. If I were you, I’d wait for a Tundra redesign/update, I think 2021?

 

I was thinking of this thread yesterday, driving back from the Adirondacks where I'd been working all week.

I was in our new truck, 2019 Chevy 3500 crew cab 8ft bed. Pretty basic, vinyl floors and cloth seats etc but it's a work truck. It's the Duramax so it makes about 3x the HP and 5x the tq that my 4cyl does, all while returning 14mpg loaded up with tools etc. Payload is over 3500lbs, towing I'm sure is astronomical.

Cruising down a sunny 2 lane road at 60mph, and out of no where this pops up:
The center screen was also showing a "service trailer brake system" (was not towing at the time). The lights went away about an hour later on their own, but this truck had 800 miles total on it at the time.

The capability it offers is a necessity for what we do but when it's time to go home, I'm always happy getting into my tiny, underpowered Toyota.

 

Go for a ride in a supercharged tundra and all your MPG/lack of tech concerns will be forgotten.

 

Um, physics don't lie. Do the equations yourself.

 

I think everyone knows your distaste for Toyota products. Why torture yourself like this? Sell it and move on, or just quit your whining.

 

And your nonstop bitching of anyone who says what you don’t want to hear is well recorded, too.

 

your choice creature comforts or long term reliabilty

 

Smitty is that you?

 

^ I'm gonna go with this, I call BS on 19 mpg HWY from a Tundra (without supercharger, that I have seen). And I have coworkers with both, the guy with the Tundy constantly bit*hes about his city mpg, the F150 guy not a peep and when I asked him is getting the same as me and my taco. I don't know I don't own either but just from people I know that have both and what I've seen and read in tests, reviews, forums, fuelly, etc. I tend to lean towards the F150 getting better mpg across the board.

 

Firstly, neither I nor anyone else here claimed that the Tundra w/ 5.7l v8 gets better mpg's than the ecoboost F-150. Rather I said that the mpg differences aren't as substantial as the EPA ratings and fanboy hype would have you believe.

Secondly, I encourage you to compare apples-to-apples; compare a 5.7l v8 Tundra to a 3.5l v6 or 5.0 v8 F-150. The Tundra gets ~14mpg, the F-150 gets around 16mpg. That's a 2 mpg difference....might be important to some, maybe not so much to others.

Edit: Also, so the EPA rates the 4x4 2.7l F-150 at 20mpg combined, while the average truck only gets ~18mpg in the real world. This confirms what I've been saying: that the ecoboost engines are somewhat overrated in terms of fuel efficiency. So thank you for proving my point.

 

Exactly! In my case, I don't care much about Long Term reliability. I traded every three or four years with about 20K on the OD.
I buy today's truck, not what it's worth 10 years from now. I buy the best current truck for the money with the most options and the best drivetrain.

I look forward to the redesign of the Tacoma. IN three years or so I will again do what I just did. Buy the best "three year" truck for the money. As far as MPG s here is a 100 mile trip on back roads with about 25 miles on the freeway at 70MPH I get 22MPG around town without trying, That said, I don't buy MPGs as I don't fill up much. But I am not disappointed in the Fuel Economy. I buy function not body style or look.

If I bought based on looks I would have kept my Tacoma.

 

Power Wagon !

 

You may not care about longterm reliability, but a lot of people who buy Toyota's do care about that. Arguably that is the niche appeal which keeps Toyota customers so loyal.

If you want the latest and greatest, get a FCA or Ford pickup, but don't fool yourself into thinking that you're getting all of those fancy amenities and features without any added risk.

 

What "risk" ? I am under warranty for three years regardless of what brand I buy. I buy options. I don't worry about risk. Hell, I drive maybe 6K-7K miles a year. Not much risk there. I had four Tacomas. But never became a fanboi of any manufacturer.

I was more than willing to take a "risk" on the best street truck at the moment. If I have half the drivability issues I had with the Tacoma I will be very happy. So far so good. One of the reasons I bought the Ford is the drivability. Not the looks. The comfort of the interior. Yeah, I like all the new tech too which is why I buy new every few years. I will add that Initial Quality is very very good. Not concerned about the long run.

 

Did you not read my post about only keeping it 2 years? I could care less what happens past that.

Retarded response.

 

Ram

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4 MPGs better IS significantly better. I had a 15 3.5 ecoboost before this truck and always got 18-19 mpgs in the city and 20-21 on the highway (between 75-80 mph). The 3.5 also tows amazing with strong low end power.

We got it that you think the Toyota can do no wrong and their products are the best. But you're wrong on many things about the F150's. Ford was 3 different frames for the F150 based on your package the main differences being the thickness of the frames. They also have three different axles (8.8, 9.8 and HPP 9.8). They also have different hitch supports and suspension changes based on the packages. They don't just print a different number in the door jamb and call it good.

Simple facts are the Tundra is behind the competition in just about everything performance wise. Most trucks are going to be reliable and if you're keeping it short term buy whatever you like best. Chances are you'll have no trouble with any of them and if you do it will have warranty.

 

The “keep for 3 years” market is very different from the “keep for 10 years” market.
My 2013 tundra is probable the last gas powered vehicle I will own and I have zero worries about having it for another 10 years.