Thinking of trading in my 18 Taco for a full-size

You can't wait a year and a half for the new Tundra?

 

Here is one example: https://www.f150ecoboost.net/forum/...udge-build-up-intake-vavles-possible-fix.html
Here is another: https://www.f150forum.com/f70/ecoboost-carbon-build-up-329551/

I'm sure you could find more with a little bit of typing on your part...it's not that difficult. This direct injection issue is well known in the car community, and the fact that you're disputing it tells me that your either ignorant or myopic.

You gave me your explanation of why Ford changed over, and a weak one at that.

 

Did you bother to read either of those threads? Neither one shows an actual owner having an issue (pics are not F150 heads). It's always people selling the catch cans that claim it's 100% needed. I know some DI engines have had this issue in the past and so what? All I'm saying is the 2.7 and 3.5 in F150s don't. With millions on the rode owner documented issues would be all over the place if it were a real problem. But they're not cause it's not a problem. It's really easy to find documented cases of timing chain stretch for them...

Again this is from Ford; maybe you'll take their word for why the switch but probably not.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a...-engines-have-both-port-and-direct-injection/

"Peter Dowding, Ford’s chief engineer of powertrain gasoline systems, revealed a different strategy. Ford uses PI alone at idle and at low rpm for smooth, quiet, and efficient engine operation. As rpm and load increase, fuel delivery becomes a programmed blend of PI and DI. In contrast to Toyota’s methodology, Ford’s PI is always operating, responsible for at least 5 to 10 percent of the fuel delivery.

Dowding and his Ford engineering colleague Stephen Russ stress that carbon deposits on tailpipes and intake valves have never been an issue in their DI engines."

Eitherway I'm done here. Nobody is changing anyone's mind.

OP get a Ram. Good looking and best interior IMO.

 

And rambox, second only to the wizardry of Honda. (still kinda wish they didn't have claustrophobic front seats)

 

Just gonna leave this little nugget...

http://www.trucktrend.com/news/ram-announces-2020-1500-ecodiesel

"...the EcoDiesel will be the most powerful truck in the segment with 480 lb-ft of torque and a 12,560-pound towing capacity. There is also an 8 percent increase in horsepower bringing the total to 260 hp. The EcoDiesel will be available on all 1500 models, including a first-time offering on the popular Ram Rebel."


"The Ram Rebel won the 2019 Four Wheeler Pickup Truck of the Year award. The Ram 1500 took home Truck Trend's Pickup Truck of the Year award. For Ram to win both prestigious awards speaks volumes about the performance and capabilities of the truck."

 

If you need more towing capacity than the Tacoma and aren’t getting the Tundra, go with the f150 Ecoboost. If you absolutely have to buy American, buy a ford.

 

I would take reliability over gadgets any day of the year.

 

The first thread had a video where someone actually showed footage of the intake valves of the ecoboost engine (with significant carbon build-up).
The other thread had pictures of the intake vales, again with significant carbon-build up.
Some of these people might be selling catch cans, but the pictures and video footage don't lie...catch cans are popular with direct injection owners for a reason.

Well believe what Ford reps say at your own risk.

Ford reps also said there was nothing wrong with their 6.0 or 6.4 Powerstrokes, and they never offered factory fixes for the numerous problems those engines had....hence why an aftermarket cottage industry has developed to address that market demand.

There is a reason why the early generation Ford ecoboost F-150's, and Ford F-150's in general (outside of Raptors), have mediocre to poor resale value.

 

A lot of mud being slung here....

 

TruckTrend is wrong about "most powerful truck" https://media.ford.com/content/ford...50-limited-gains-high-output-ecoboost-v6.html. Also, an F150 with the "Max Tow Package" can tow more than 12,500 lbs.

 

I’m not sure about you guys, but I don’t want to tow 12,500 with a half ton truck regardless.

 

I have no intention, the tow ratings are really a marketing joke. I actually read recently that most states require special licensing if you tow over 10,000lbs.

 

^Agreed. Just because an OEM provides a certain tow rating (even if its SAE-compliant) doesn't said vehicle will be ideal for towing that kind of weight.

10k-11k is the practical limit for most 1/2 tons based on gearing, brakes, engine options and overall chassis designs. If you're going to be towing at or beyond that limit on a regular basis, there is absolutely no point in getting a 1/2 ton.

 

Wait...what did I miss?

Did some asshat actually defend the 6.0 and 6.4 power strokes? Or Ford's literal abandonment of the people who bought them?

While the aftermarket has almost made the 6.0 a passable bargain diesel buy (at considerable expense), nothing to date has saved the 6.4....due to its utter failure on just about every level. If someone in this thread was actually so bone stupid that they made an excuse for these two shit boxes, please enlighten me as to who they are so that I can out them on ignore.

 

I don't think anyone actually defended the 6.0 and 6.4...I was merely using them as examples to show how Ford hasn't always been straight and honest with its customers.

 

If you are going full size, i would recommend the F-150 hands down. The 3.5 Ecoboost is great. The cab has tons of room, Extremely good tech, super easy to drive, good MPG and is super smooth.
I had a 16 Platinum and a 17 Raptor, loved both of them! I moved from the 16 Platinum to a 17 tacoma pro, 17 raptor to the 19 pro. Love the taco! Going to keep it until i need more room aka "kids".....
If i ever have to go full size again I would go with the Raptor or Platinum again!

 

Truck trend is technically correct.
"the EcoDiesel will be the most powerful truck in the segment with 480 lb-ft of torque and a 12,560-pound towing capacity. "

The limited and Raptor F-150 cannot have the max tow package. You need like a base model XL single cab for that, which cannot have the high output engine....
So, the ecodiesel is both the most powerful engine that has exactly 12,560 of towing capacity, and can tow the most of any vehicle having exactly 480 lb-ft of torque.

Now, I've never understood if the one eyed one horned flying purple people eater ate people, or it only ate purple people, or it eats flying purple people, or........

 

That's all well and good (Technically an XLT Crew Cab can be spec'd with the Max Tow Package), but as stated above, I believe you need special licensing to tow above 10,000. A Limited can tow just about 10,000 lbs, so if you really "needed" the most powerful/capable 1/2 ton, I would choose the Ford HO EcoBoost over the Fiat EcoDiesel.

Also, the flying purple people eater was clearly purple, so he eats people indiscriminately...

 

I got an LT Trail Boss. with the newer 5.3 and 8 speed. I love it. The Custom has different front and no LEDs

 

Report back after you have 60k on it. My 2012 Silverado constantly burned oil and went back many times under warranty to have tsb's applied to fix the problem. It still burned oil and would foul number 7 plug and cause a misfire. I was done and trade it in on my Tacoma. I just dont trust them to build a quality product.