New generation Toyota truck in 2021?

It also makes sense for the Tacoma to grow a bit to make more room if there's batteries involved. More room for everything else, too.

 

I hope they just give us the Hilux and stop beating around the bush.

 

What about the turbo 4 out of the Lexus cars?

 

My 2017 is likely my last all-gas vehicle, too.
What’s going to be interesting is the resale of all of our trucks. We all assume that our tacos will hold their value, because they always have, but when the norm is a taco or tundra getting way better gas mileage....with the exception of enthusiasts (an incredible minority), our trucks May be rather undesirable.

Even sooner than later....who is going to buy a used taco that gets 19mpg when you can buy a (rumored) tundra that crushes it in MPG and has so much more interior room and a more functional bed?

 

by the time of gen 4 I'll be too old to care or maybe drive

 

Did you read what I wrote above? Hilux 0-60 in 9.5 seconds.

There are about 5 people in the US who would buy a HiLux if available. If you really want a HiLux, apparently you can order one to be delivered with US specs.

https://itstillruns.com/import-toyota-hilux-usa-7354030.html

Everybody would like more speed or more power in a Tacoma, cause that's what fanboys do. But diesel or inferior foreign vehicles ain't gonna happen.

 

I think you're probably right, but turbo ain't exotic technology. BMW changed over from all I6 to I4 turbo in a couple of years. It's not rocket science--oh wait, maybe it is, but still...

 

Toyota will not introduce 2 new models at once in the same plant. That's just too much complexity.

My guess is the new Tundra will come 1st on the new platform. The V8s will probably be gone. Looks like 2 versions of a heavily beefed up 2GR twin turbo V6 will be offered, with the more powerful of the 2 generating well north of 500 lbs feet of torque at less than 2000 rpm.

Once the dust settles on that model change, expect the Tacoma to move over to that platform.

 

Exactly, and if that's the case I can see one of them being discontinued down the road at some point. I'm by no means an automotive expert but if they share the same platform they must be very similar in size, etc.

 

Sharing a platform doesn’t necessarily mean the platforms will be exactly alike. It means a certain amount of modularity between them.

For example...the current Camry, Avalon, Lexus ES, Prius and Corolla are all produced on a common platform known as TNGA. Clearly those vehicles vary greatly in size. Yet, at the heart, the platforms are the same

 

I firmly believe Toyota will have some sort of hybrid + TT 2GR in the new Tundra. It will be a system developed for performance (i.e. torque) not efficiency.

Toyota does have the 8AR 2.0 turbo 4 available. But it would need to be adapted for longitudinal configuration. That's certainly something that could be done. However, it's very expensive to adapt a new powertrain into an existing model. If the 8AR were even a consideration, it would be much more cost effective to introduce it with an all new model

 

No, it certainly isnt, and Toyota was turbocharging four cylinders back in the '90's, but given how stubbornly they're holding on to the 3.5 V6 suggests they're not ready to implement it across the mainstream Toyota line.

I think a Turbo 4 is in the Tacoma's future, I just would be surprised if it comes along right away with the 4th gen and Hybrid. Granted there is plenty of time to get one ready for the 4th gen Taco.

Yeah, little mystery with the 3.5TT Tundra. 3.5TT is the new V8, so it doesnt make a lot of sense to expect it in the Tacoma.

Completely forgot about the Turbo Lexus'. The 8AR is found in several longitudinal applications like the GS and RC, but the question then is whether or not it's up to snuff for truck duty. I expect a truck I4 would need to have 2.5-2.7l of displacement to make the best in usable torque. It'd need to make it to 200k miles easy and it's possible all new architecture would need to be developed. 8AR + 2TR = Tacoma engine.

 

Hilux is ugly af!

 

I think the current 8AR puts down around 240 lbs ft of torque at a very low rpm....don't have the specs in front of me at the moment. But strengthening it would certainly be possible. Whatever strengthening techniques they employed for the current TT 3.5 in the LS500 will be one up'd for the Tundra. So it stands to reason that beefing up the 8AR would be possible.

All speculation at this point. But times are definitely a changin' for Toyota trucks in the near future. V8s will be gone. And the last of the 1GR hold outs (current 4Runner) will be gone soon too. That 1GR phase out began in 2013 with the Tundra refresh and continued in 2015 with the 3rd gen Taco. The next 4Runner will, no doubt, be 2GR powered

 

Really? Guess you haven't had to drive in 3rd world shitholes? (California doesn't count.)
Hilux never left me stranded,there is a reason they are so popular worldwide.

 

The Hilux is that truck that everyone says they'd buy but in reality, only a few of us would. It's a non-apologetic pickup that is essentially a 2016 Tacoma in size, a 1996 Tacoma in features, and a 1986 Pickup in capability. To me, that's the dream, but in an age where people are more concerned with NVH and ICE than payload and mechanical pieces, I just don't see it coming.

The problem is that 90% of the "I'd buy that" crowd isn't the type of person with the means and desire to buy new - most of those bitching about losing the Hilux are the kind to buy something a few years old at best and drive it into the ground. Most new truck buyers would hate the Hilux in actual practice and if people won't buy new, it's not going to make it to the used market. Even then, Toyota doesn't give a shit about the used market other than resale because that keeps their new prices high.

This isn't just the Hilux either... the LC70 series suffers the same issue in that it's luxury full-size money that sacrifices all the niceties for raw capability. Very, very few people would throw down $55k or more on one.

Don't get me wrong, if Toyota even did a gas Hilux or even a Tacoma with that kind of payload, the wad of cash leaving my pocket would knock my sales manager out. I just don't see the Hilux coming stateside when the market has other priorities.

 

I wish they would bring back the regular cab!

 

Quoted for the absolute truth of this post.

May I respectfully add?

The same people rending their panties over the 3rd gen lack of power and lack of features literally cream said panties when discussing the slow, anemic and spartan Hilux.

The same people moaning about the slow 3.5 are constantly begging Toyota to make the diesel Hilux available in this US market.

 

The 5.0l is not a piece of crap...Nissan just didn't do a good job optimizing its efficiency and put into a big, ungainly platform that has all of the drawbacks of a 3/4 ton but none of the advantages.

I think many, if not most, traditional truck owners are fine with slow...so long as the torque delivery is good and the mpg's are acceptable. The 3.5l just seems like its slow (at least in acceleration) and yet its efficiency and torque is hardly different from those engines being put out by the competitors, arguably its worse in those regards.

There is absolutely no reason why Toyota couldn't put out different engine options: diesel for those who want diesel; 3.5l v6 gasoline for those who want to pretend their driving in Baja; and a hybrid for former prius drivers.

 

Yeah, much of what I meant by "1986 Pickup capability". My grandpa had an '89 pickup and while it ran forever and always got the job done, even towing a little aluminum boat (that we used to literally 2-man lift out of the water and carry 20 feet to the parking lot instead of waiting on the launch ramp) would render the thing anemic.