Any negatives for the manual transmission

Besides the Sport, the 2016 and 2017 SR Manual also has the Hill Holder.

 

i have 3 kids too, and i still can't do nannies including key fob weirdness. if that gets your attention, then definitely go for the AT. otherwise you'll find something inconvenient with MT duties.

 

I don't get this argument. It eases the burden of having to deploy inch perfect timing when on a hill which can be a safety issue. Its a simple, effective way to mitigate a potential issue with manual transmissions versus using the redneck hand brake approach.

 

'having to deploy inch perfect timing' in any given situation is one of the reasons i drive a MT, and a main reason i live the MT life. seriously. i want the control, completely. no compromises.

 

Sorry but coming from a Sport owner, if it is a safety issue, then an MT should be questioned from the start or they should get out and hone the skills. While I have killed the motor on hills in the past, I can say that my foot dance was practiced enough that I would never roll back.

HA is not a safety thing, just an assistant. I can make myself happy with it since it can save some wear.

My apologies if I sound a bit triggered.

 

This doesn't even get into all the weirdness that keyless start systems cause and all the easy entry and stolen vehicle reporting that has been publicized. No thanks.

I even knew that I was out on some new bikes that had keyless start and steering locks. Fuck that. I read about one case when the lock activated while riding. Are you kidding me? One case is too many.

 

If you get a leg injury you ain’t goin nowhere.

Off-road will be a little more of a traction challenge.

The automatics get better mileage and gear selection since 2005 ish, no real benefit to manuals.

No maintenance longer term on the bulletproof 4spd or 6spd auto. Manuals will need clutches around 70-120k and who knows when a pressure plate, throw out bearing, linkage, etc will be needed, but all can be bought for under $500 total.

By going with auto you lose the old school fun factor. I would use standard still if the deal on my truck had been stick instead of auto, but it is a excellent drivetrain so I can’t complain.

 

Sorry, but I have found the first three to be untrue.

-- Injuries are just challenges to be overcome and the same could be said about stairs or being injured in a remote area. No sense living in a bubble. There are plenty of injuries or conditions that would mess up your day in an AT also.
-- I will drop into 4Lo earlier, but MTs can cruise easily in low range at 35mph with a max of 58, if doing something weird. With that, even on stock tires, I have kept up with lifted / tired ATs.
-- See below, and my recent average is close to 22mpg. The high AT gearing prevents getting optimal MPGs unless driving like the test standard, not everyday traffic. The fact is that I always exceed EPA numbers with MTs that I owned. EPA estimates were just that for ATs and pretty much an unattainable target when driving normally.

Your other points are good, but subjective. We have seen a couple clutch failures and a few reports of worn clutches at less than 100k, but these have been very rare. I know I have never replaced a clutch in our cars, some were bought used and one was sold to a neighbor's 16yr old and still going on the original at what has to be 200k.

 

Spoken like someone who isn't well rehearsed in stick shift.

Off Road is better expect for maybe super extreme rock buggy kinda stuff. I have yet to meet an Auto to get better mileage. I swear the EPA ratings have a moron behind the wheel. To this very day one of the most common failure point on any car is the auto trans, Maybe not Toyota but look at carcomplaints.com and see all the auto fails. When you change a clutch you change the pressure plate and throwout bearing and sometimes more. Unless you have bad drivers the clutch should last a lot longer than 70-120k. (Toyota specifically in my family we haven't had a clutch fail under 150K and we all drive like maniacs) Also the gearing is better on the manuals.

 

Bending shoes using the hand brake:

 

Truth! You've been here awhile too!

 

Have a 2016 explore that has been dead set reliable. My tacoma has had many trips. Wouldn't even go from reverse to drive.

Part of my problem now is Toyota not willing to fix the rust issue. When they sent out the tab, mine was already out of warranty. But it has the same thing wrong.

 

One of the reasons I really wanted the manual.

 

Not sure if anyone mentioned this but one of the huge pros for owning a MT is less people will want to borrow your truck for their stupid dirt/mulch runs because they don't know how to don't want to drive a manual.

 

I hear that. I would like my kids to learn though. About 1/2 my vehicles have been stick including my first.

 

Oh absolutely, my wife knows in theory how to drive it, but she doesn't like to (also a WIN in my book ). I have a 2 year old daughter I plan on keeping this truck long enough to teach her how to drive a MT. You don't get to take my daughter on a date unless you can drive my 17 year old Taco. lol

 

Stop and go traffic severely increases the wear and tear of the clutch and components. Thats the biggest issue with a Manual and the main reason i didnt get one (not that i could find one with out a scoop)

 

My 18 off road does not.

Having done off road things in vehicles with hill assist I found it very annoying when trying to back Down a hill just a bit to reposition.

 

Wear in stop-n-go has not been my experience. The game that I play in my head is staying off the clutch and slipping as little as possible. If folks are wrapping up the revs and feathering, then yeah, stop-n-go is gonna be a problem.

The skewp thing is crazy. I do wish we had more options.

 

Unless you can not uses your clutch at all in stop and go you are adding wear every time you use it. Throwout bearing included.