tire rotation

is it widely agreed to do the rearward cross? (moving rear tires forward to their same side and moving front tires to the rear opposite side).

also does anyone have creative ways to SAFELY execute this with two jack stands and a hi lift?

 

Yeah...put away the hi lift, then use the stock jack and 2 stands! I put stands on one side each wheel then jack the whole other side up mid frame. YOLO!

 

mmmkay sounds a little bit like a teeter totter, but if i'm not going under it, maybe. not sure the stock bottle jack is going to reach with my 2.5 lift.

 

I would go in another direction for sure then!

But hi lifts are sketch

 

Please elaborate. I’ve used them without knowing they are “sketch” many times. Indeed I prefer them over all other portable jacks.

 

This is assuming you have sliders and a safe lifting point at the rear like a bumper with cutout or a hi-lft attachment for your hitch. Never get under a vehicle that is only supported by a jack. There is no substitute for a good jack stand.

1. Chock both sides of each wheel on the left side.
2. Lift from the center of the right side.
3. Place jack stands at the front right and rear right of the frame.
4. Swap the front and rear wheels on the right side.
5. Lower the truck onto the ground.
6. Repeat steps 1 - 5 but on the opposite side of the truck.
7. Lift the truck from the center rear.
8. Swap the rear left and rear right wheels.

Or...get 2 more jack stands and a floor jack from Harbor Freight and do it the way everyone else does it. If money is an issue just save up or buy used. If space is an issue, consider stacking the stands and wall mounting the floor jack to save on floor space.

 

A lot cheaper than dropping the truck lol
They have some cheap bottle jacks too that might be tall enough. I didn't see a coupon though

 

I’ve had hi lifts skip out from under my truck and others, sometimes on purpose and other times it gave me a pucker. The base helps, but still feels like it’s the grace of god that allowed me to carry on and out.

Edit: https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/do-i-need-a-high-lift-jack.469637/

Some solid anecdotes here!

 

The Owners Manual does not recommend the cross, just switch front to back.

 

Negative. According to the FSM, in 'Muricuh we do straight front-rear swaps only. Rest of the world do the rearward cross.

Straight front-rear swaps are easy enough to do - just lift by the slider, then put jack stands under the frame.

 

Thanks. My dad taught me how to position (and reposition) the rusty old bumper jacks in the 70s, along with blocks. Now I carry wheel chocks, the base and a jack stand along with my jack, so I guess that’s why I’ve not encountered these problems. I also clean anD lubricate periodically. I love it as a jack and a winch and an extrication tool.

 

super interesting. i should have thought to check the manual. any idea why everywhere else does the cross, but NA does front to back? I'm not complaining, it's going to make rotations a whole lot easier.

 

I do rearward cross...
I do a 4 tire rotation, but incorporate the spare as a 'placeholder' while rotating, lifting one wheel at a time. The spare is first to go on and last to come off.

 

Agreed...they’ve saved my ass in the middle of nowhere! In my driveway, there are better options IMO.

 

Another vote for doing one side of the truck at a time with only a front-to-rear swap, no crossing. Been doing it this way every 10,000km for eons and I never, ever, have weirdness with my tires. Keep in mind there are some tires that are directional and so if you incorporate a cross then you'll start running tires backwards. I've heard of manufacturers voiding warranty for separated belting if you run directional tires backwards.

 

Pure speculation - the only thing unique to NA is TPMS. Maybe the system is more likely to freak out if you cross the rear tires.

 

It can actually cause a vibration for the customer, hence the rear cross, I do full cross and sometimes it bites me in the ass.

Today I had a Tundra with Kumho AT's and the cross created a vibration. The tires were inbalanced, but it was more noticeable due to the nature of pre-existing wear.

I always cross rotate truck tires regardless. It's the only way to fight feathering on long term wear. Even with the best alignment and tire pressures the edges of LT tires will always feather.

 

And your rational for this statement is...?

 

Crossing the tires reverses the direction of rotation. Maybe that affects TPMS reliability. To preserve battery life, the sensors sleep/transmit at different intervals based on wheel movement. Again pure speculation. Only feature unique to NA is TPMS, required by US federal regulation. Other considerations like payload, highway/city, and rough/smooth roads aren't unique to NA.

3rd gens show tire pressure in the radio, so it shows location-specific tire pressure? (I don't know since I took off the OEM wheels with sensors the day after I got my truck)

 

Use a jack stand and a normal jack just for safety.