10000 mile oil change?

Wtf?

 

No, they know more than you about designing, building and maintaining engines. A lot more.
They are no better than you or me in normal life. They are just people. But again, when you start building a thousand of something a day, the knowledge and expertise they have is incredible. Totally different world. But yeah, outside of that, same as you.

 

So based upon their production is it ok to assume Ford has smarter engineers with more knowledge and expertise since they produce drastically more a day, a year and so on. I’m sorry I don’t revere engineers as you do. I don’t look around everyday and think gee we’re so lucky to have engineers ...and I have three in my family

 

Engineers are like everyone else... there are good ones and bad ones.
As far as Ford making more engines? Toyota sold almost 10M vehicles last year. Ford sold around 2.5M. Toyota could buy Ford, GM and have money left over for ice cream. I don't revere engineers especially. I respect them, but I respect the guys who collect my trash too.

 

On my new vehicles the first oil change is at 500 miles, I want that oil out of there.


https://www.onallcylinders.com/2014/11/13/engine-break-guide-10-tips-help-properly-break-engine/
Change Oil Often
On freshly built engines, you’ll need to change your oil and filter much more frequently. After using a break-in oil, you should change your oil at 50 miles, 500 miles, and 1,500 miles. Again, at 4,000 miles or so, it’s fine to switch to a synthetic oil if you choose.

http://mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
What's The Best Way To Break-In A New Engine ?? The Short Answer: Run it Hard !
Why ??
Nowadays, the piston ring seal is really what the break in process is all about. Contrary to popular belief, piston rings don't seal the combustion pressure by spring tension. Ring tension is necessary only to "scrape" the oil to prevent it from entering the combustion chamber.

If you think about it, the ring exerts maybe 5-10 lbs of spring tension against the cylinder wall ...
How can such a small amount of spring tension seal against thousands of
PSI (Pounds Per Square Inch) of combustion pressure ??
Of course it can't. How Do Rings Seal Against Tremendous Combustion Pressure ??

From the actual gas pressure itself !! It passes over the top of the ring, and gets behind it to force it outward against the cylinder wall. The problem is that new rings are far from perfect and they must be worn in quite a bit in order to completely seal all the way around the bore. If the gas pressure is strong enough during the engine's first miles of operation (open that throttle !!!), then the entire ring will wear into
the cylinder surface, to seal the combustion pressure as well as possible.
The Problem With "Easy Break In" ... The honed crosshatch pattern in the cylinder bore acts like a file to allow the rings to wear. The rings quickly wear down the "peaks" of this roughness, regardless of how hard the engine is run. There's a very small window of opportunity to get the rings to seal really well ... the first 20 miles !!

If the rings aren't forced against the walls soon enough, they'll use up the roughness before they fully seat. Once that happens there is no solution but to re hone the cylinders, install new rings and start over again.

Fortunately, most new sportbike owners can't resist the urge to "open it up" once or twice,
which is why more engines don't have this problem !!

An additional factor that you may not have realized, is that the person at the dealership who set up your bike probably blasted your brand new bike pretty hard on the "test run". So, without realizing it, that adrenaline crazed set - up mechanic actually did you a huge favor !!

 

Threads like this are great. Personally been running synthetic oil up here in ND since 88 in all my engines I change 2x a yr before and after the winter. After the winter to get the contaniments from condensation from short trips out. I put about 13000 a year on. We all have our ways of taking care of our trucks. Its comes down to money and experance .

 

Same here, I also did mine at 12 months with about 6,000 miles on it. Certainly no regret doing it with little mileage, especially since it was the first one! This January, when I do my yearly oil change again, I will be at about 7,000 miles.

 

Our trucks don't come with break in oil..... Seems this post is a giant moot point

 

Tacoma's engines don't have any assembly/machining debris or break in/wear sentiment...?

 

Having those things doesn't mean our tacomas come with break in oil.

 

Never said they did... the first link says change at 50, 500, 1500, 4000 the break in oil would be gone after the first change...

 

Our. Trucks. Don't. Come. With. Break. In. Oil. So it's gone before the first oil change even.

 

I would just like to point out that these pages of information are opinion based on rebuilding, not modern factory engines. On a SB Chevy or a OHV Ford engine rebuild, I would follow these suggestions, but the engines in today's vehicles are not the same as those engines. The tolerances and fit and finish are tighter for fuel efficiency and durability. Older engine OCI are based on old technology and less refined oil bases and additives. Newer OCI are based on improved quality and precision.

These manufacturers don't put out OCI info based on marketing or engineering. What difference does it make to them how often you change your oil! They put out this information based on testing, these engines saw millions of simulated miles on a dyno and in test miles driven in harsh environments long before they sold the first truck. Then dropped the oil and sampled it. Based on this data they set out their recommended OCI that they feel works best for longevity of the engine under normal, average conditions and driving situations. As the individual owner of your truck, it is best for you decide what OCI you follow, because Toyota ultimately doesn't care how often you change your oil unless it becomes a warranty issue.

 

Actually ya, Mercedes AMG is a perfect example of this, their formula 1 team utilized a split turbo design that was developed from their heavy industrial trucks and created one of the winningest Formula 1 cars in history.

Ford used their experience on multiple occasions to create, design and build the Le Man winning Ford GT, being the first to win a turbo V6.

Everything you use and experience in the world today was created at some point by an engineer.

The bridge you drove on, the modern building construction of homes, the roads, the plumbing, electrical systems, reservoirs, public transportation systems, sewer systems, the internet, the satellites used for GPS.

Man you just take everything for granted. Your insecurity is making you entirely too sensitive and defense for this conversation.

I thought you were joking in your first post but now I just feel sorry for you. Seriously, I wish you the best.

 

This isn't the 1970s where half of the engine would dissolve into the oil during break-in due to the crappy manufacturing tolerances back then.

There's no need to do "break-in" oil changes today, unless you just feel like spending money.

 

I change my oil every 17 miles because I rebuilt a 22re once and I know what happens when you go to 18 miles on an oil change interval. My tear down of the engine proved that Toyota’s recommendation was far inferior! It only made it to 305k miles because I was using 18 mile oil change intervals! The 22re of 1986 is just like engines of today, and there have been no innovations in metallurgy, lubrication, reliability measures, or quality control. Because of this, I only recommend you change your oil every 20 miles in your 3rd gens. I know far more than the Toyota engineers, scientists, and lubrication specialists. Changing your oil sooner than normal makes your vehicle happier, and in return, it will refuse to break down.

Jiffy Lube’s oil change interval recommendation is wayyy better and isn’t meant for revenue. It is actually to benefit your engine’s reliability. That zit-faced 18 year old who stripped your oil pan plug knows way more than anyone at Toyota. I trust him way more than some stupid educated person developing/engineering engines for the world’s largest automaker.

 

Me:5k
Toyota 10k
Me 15k
Toyota 20k

Warranty ends

Me
Me
Me

 

"Nowadays, the piston ring seal is really what the break in process is all about."

This makes sense where if any part rod/valve/cam has an initial defect it will rear it's ugly head regardless of how easy or hard it is driven.

 

Wait until 10K.

 

Man you guys are way overthinking this... it's a Tacoma. Thing will last 300k+ miles easy, with or without proper break in, and 95% of you are going to be trading the truck in with FAR fewer miles than that anyway, lol.

Just drive it and enjoy it. Follow the service schedule.