AR-15 BS Thread

I would hope that one would be judicious enough to practice with the tool that they intend to protect themselves and their family with.

Buying a shotgun and just leaving it under the bed until there is a bump in the night doesn't sound like the best plan

 

You definitely have to aim well with a shotgun at home defense ranges. They aren’t carpet bombs. I think Clint smith (someone who supports shotguns for home defense) has a good video about how tight some shotguns pattern at home defense ranges.

And I’m willing to bet that pretty much anyone (new or experienced) can shoot an AR better than they can a pistol.

That also still does nothing to solve the capacity/over penetration issues you can have with shotguns and pistols. Also the likelihood of a user induced malfunction is far higher for those platforms for inexperienced shooters (short stroking a shotgun, limp wristing a pistol, or thumb getting in the way of the slide)

 

It'll be next year's project at this rate, I'm in to mid and long range precision, and NRL22 competitions, so my plate is full for now.
This will be a hog gun and second as a mid range gas gun (maybe). I hope to mess with loads this winter or next spring.
I've read on shooting shorter barrels, it sounds like speeds after 12.5" don't pickup up much.
SG Ammo has 90 gr btw
https://www.sgammo.com/product/fede...in-federal-fusion-msr-soft-point-ammo-f68msr2

 

You can also get low recoil 00 shotgun ammo. Easier to stay on target and lessens the chance of overpenetration. Unless the intruder is Neo from the Matrix it will be hard to dodge a shotgun blast fired down a hallway. That being said, my ARs are the only things I have currently outfitted with IR devices, so...

 

Yeah, I went with 12.5” because of minimal performance difference but much better length when suppressed.
Mine took about 2 years to build, too many projects going on.

I haven’t used that stuff, the other ammo I was talking about is XM68GD, it used to be about $13/box when it was available.

 

Think long and hard on the NFA stuff as it is a HUGE pain in the ass to take out of state....

Suppressors and AOWs (which are notably absent), in order to comply with this provision you will need to apply for, and receive, permission from the ATF to transport your NFA items across state lines prior to doing so.

 

Hence one of the reasons people go with a pistol over SBR, plus skipping the wait time.

 

This would be correct....I have sold just about all my NFA stuff suppressors/SBR's and my Full Auto M-16A1 lower.

I have one Gem-tech .22 suppressor let that is going soon...

 

I wish at the time in 1986 I would have had more money to buy a few of the lowers at the time as they were kind of cheap @ $4,500.00 compared to what I sold it for....

 

I save each state's copy 5320.20 in PDF, come the new year; I'll update the date, print, sign, and mail. Another step that's BS in the first place, but sure isn't a pain, not to me anyway. Suppressors are not firearms, and therefore do not require a 5320.20, just need to check each state's laws beforehand. Also check hunting laws too.

 

I do mine on my 5320.20s on my birthday. I've never understood why everyone complains about them. Would it be better if we didn't have to do them at all? Sure. But they only take a few minutes to do, can be done for 364 days, and mine usually come back within a couple of weeks.

 

Budget - whatever the correct tool costs. No lies, no fuckery, not kidding. If it costs 5k+, fine. If it costs 1k, fine. I'm after the right tool(s).
Intended use - home defense (in a quick access safe in my closet, handgun on the night stand).
Actual use - comfortably shooting at the range before work (I have quite a few firearms for this purpose though, so this will be one of many to play with. I'll likely shoot it until proficient and then only bring it out a couple times a year for additional practice.)
Residence - SBRs and suppressors are legal here.

I'm sold on the AR.

 

Finally, someone put some thought into this.

ARs, unlike all other weapons, have an incredibly well developed set of tools for home defense purposes.

Here is my 2cents. If I shoot a shotgun/handgun in my house without hearing protection on, I will rupture my ear drums and fuck my vestibular sense to the point of frank vertigo and incapacitation. With a shot gun, I imagine I'd get maybe two shots off, who knows if they hit, I'll be laying on the ground with my world spinning, blood coming out my ears, seeing double and ready to vomit. The home invaders can do anything they want at this point. Or, I have 30 rounds in my clip, an extra clip within reach, a nice red dot scope to ensure I'm accurate, a suppressed weapon that I can shoot without harming myself, and a low recoil weapon that I can shoot accurately. Most importantly, my wife can also shoot accurately without harming herself. Everyone I know is more accurate with a red dot and low recoil. The SBR or pistol option keeps the rig short enough to effectively maneuver around my house. The AR is superior by all measures.

I don't get where all the shotgun stuff comes from? I cant help but to assume its a relic from pre-AR days.

 

This x1000

 

You appear to be fairly well informed and open to concepts so I’m gonna go where I didn’t when you first posted.

If you’re set on 300 BLK for HD then go light and fast (110 or 120 gr rounds) otherwise you essentially have a 9mm or .45 as far as penetrating barriers go.
9mm, .40, 357 sig,.45, and subsonic 300 BLK carry a lot of mass through objects because the bullets hold together very well, you want a bullet that will act like a varmint bullet when it hits solid objects to minimize overpenetration.

That’s why I chose 5.56 (other than ammo availablity) and personally use speer Gold Dot 64 Gr rounds (I also use gold dots in my .40)

 

These are the details I'm after! Thank you.

I had originally thought I wanted 300blk because it would still have lots of stopping power even when ran subsonic, whereas I have heard 9mm subsonics lack the power on discharge to cycle many 9mm ARs (and Ive seen lots of YouTube vids). If I want quiet and stopping power, the 300blk seemed to make the most sense. I watched a video from hickok45, comparing subsonic 223 to normal 22, and the the sub223 rounds had less penetration than the normal 22, which is why I have not considered 223. But, please share all the info. I want to buy the right tool for this purpose. My criteria is quiet with stopping power. The chaos of an indoor gun fight is intimidating to me, and I think the weapon I choose and rounds I choose could greatly aid my abilities in the moment.

 

Not to argue, just curious. How is a shotgun not as easy to shoot as an AR? Recoil or something else?

 

Recoil, which is made harder to shoot on smaller tactical models. Technically you can get shotguns with rails and mount a red dot, but again, if the gun kicks, you need time to adjust which reduces the number of accurate shots you can put down range per unit time.

Edit: All of which can be overcome with practice, but my wife will not have the time to invest. She will come to the range a few times year with me, so I want a firearm that is easy and comfortable to shoot - a shotgun or pistol is not.