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Has anyone installed a oil catch can in a 2019 Tacoma.

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by TRD Larry, Aug 12, 2019.

  1. Oct 7, 2019 at 6:29 PM
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    I never used the word worthwhile, Its each owners choice, I believe in the benefits you don't have to. Thats ok. The problem with a catch can is I believe it's a long term thing and that's why it's debated, and on this engine you could be right, but maybe not. Thats the thing, no one knows for sure. I will bow out as well. Everyone its been a slice. I might still post my vid on Thursday for anyone that is interested. Make your own decisions based on your own research.
     
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  2. Oct 7, 2019 at 6:30 PM
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    At this point you have yet to show the engine has any deficiencies in this regard. My statement carries more weight than your skepticism. If you’re that concerned, start a TW poll asking how many people are noticing oil consumption. The fact is that even TacomaWorld testimony alone holds more weight that proof of effectiveness of your modification. Your mod is the result of potentially believing the engine is deficient in this aspect, despite no commonly known trends of this. You must not have been looking hard enough on here, because if oil consumption was indeed a problem, you’d hear about it. People on here complain about anything they can. If there were problems with this, TW would probably be the first place to find it, considering it’s one of the most active auto forums worldwide.
     
  3. Oct 7, 2019 at 6:30 PM
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    Thw engine has been out and about since 2014, not 2016.
     
  4. Oct 7, 2019 at 6:33 PM
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    Yes it was introduced in 2015 meaning it was available in 2014, its in one of my earlier posts, I keep referencing 2016 as that's when it was available 1st in the 3rd gen.
     
  5. Oct 7, 2019 at 6:35 PM
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    OK but that's wrong to say the motor has been out since 2016.
     
  6. Oct 7, 2019 at 6:37 PM
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    Whatever man. I don’t follow your logic, or what you are missing. Here is what happens.

    -Air from the outside world enters the engine through the air filter and throttle to be burned.
    -A potion of this outside air bypasses the valve seals and piston rings due to tolerances.
    -The outside air that has bypassed the rings and seals is called “blow by”.
    -This outside air has moisture (from outside) and oil vapour and unburned fuel, and exhaust in it.
    -The blow-by (formerly outside air) collects in the crank case and is vented back into your intake, ahead of the intake valves, in a”closed sytem” to be re-burned. In an open system it’s dumped on the ground directly, rather than being reburned. Closed systems have been the norm for many decades, but the term “closed” only refers to the fact the blow-by is reburned, rather than directly vented below the vehicle.
    -The blow by is new air entering your engine, all the time, bringing with it moisture (from outside) and collecting oil and unburned fuel on its way through the cylinders.
    -some fellas want to attempt to “clean” the blow-by with a catch-can before it goes back into the intake, and some don’t.
    -while the engine is running, there is always new, moist air entering the crankcase from the outside world in the form of blow-by.

    Ughhh.
     
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  7. Oct 7, 2019 at 6:38 PM
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    I'm bowing out, if you have oil consumption issues you need an engine not a catch can. An oil separator is not for oil consumption. You don't get it. An oil separator separates and engines blow by (every engine has blow by) and prevents the oil in the blow by from baking onto the valve. I'm not concerned at all (I don't know where you get that) and I don't think this engine is deficient at all, I just think it could be better.
     
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  8. Oct 7, 2019 at 6:40 PM
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    It has been out since MY 2016 in our truck, not earlier. I corrected myself long ago and though a slip of the mind I wrote 2016 thinking of my truck and I apologize for that. I can admit when I am wrong.
     
  9. Oct 7, 2019 at 6:43 PM
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    2016Taco given you're in Toronto just watch your catch can and lines in the winter time (as I'm sure you know). I have a catch in my R56 Cooper S cause if not the valves have to be walnut blasted every like 50,000 miles cause of the blow by. (Catches water more than anything but I drain it frequently). Interested to see what you catch in there, will be watching on the Youtube.
     
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    You are right and thats what I was trying to explain, we just explained it differently. To some blow by is the combustion that slips past the pistons and pressurizes the crankcase. To others blow by is the fresh air. I get what you are saying we just said it differently.
     
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    These catch-can threads are something else. Good times, but.....

     
  12. Oct 7, 2019 at 6:47 PM
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    I did a custom modification, wait for the vid. I can unhook and bypass the can in seconds for the winter if I want to. Well aware of our cold winters my friend and the problems they cause for us. Thanks for the warning anyway. Appreciate it :)
     
  13. Oct 7, 2019 at 6:49 PM
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    Now you at least have to watch my vid!!!

    Have a good night!!!
     
  14. Oct 7, 2019 at 6:51 PM
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    This thread is ridiculous. My biggest problem from the beginning is that regular guys on here who are not as mechanically savvy would read this and think they also need an oil catch can because so and so said it’s beneficial when they have 0 proof or actual reason to think it would. They are just guessing it might and therefore it’s worth it to them.
     
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  15. Oct 7, 2019 at 7:01 PM
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    Hopefully someone will stumble across this and find it useful-
    I used a universal catch can and mount from UPR on my 2016 and mounted it with some light gauge steel from Lowe's. It's not pretty, but I did not want to drill any new holes or move my winch cut off switch. I would not expect performance gains out of a catch can, but it could increase engine longevity. I thought it was worth the $100 or so. The stuff that it catches is gross.

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  16. Oct 8, 2019 at 7:23 AM
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    I understand what you are saying and am sorry you feel that way. Many on here have discussed this at length (passionate at times) and I think the consensus is that you are right, we have no absolute proof that it helps this particular engine. We know racer cars use them, other manufacturers use them, and they are beneficial to them. We understand that.

    When speaking in the context of this particular engine and its cleaning features discussed we can't prove they help. To be fair, no one has been able to prove that they do not help. Some of us have made the inference that if they can help race cars and other vehicles then maybe they can improve the taco. Maybe not needed, but it might improve it. We have no evidence to the contrary.

    This is one of those technologies where a person really has to do their own research and decide for themselves, but we can't deny forum members the opportunities to be exposed to these types of things. No one is selling anything here. We are just sharing what we have done to our vehicles and forum members can decide for themselves if its something they are interested in or not. Many people mod their vehicles, tires, grils, lights, superchargers were put on the old 4.0L. None of these came from the factory, but that does not mean there is no value.
     
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  17. Oct 8, 2019 at 7:39 AM
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    Catch cans have their place I just don't think we need one on this motor. Supercharged cars have one mainly to keep the intercooler brick clean and free of oil; not the intake valves. I have one on my supercharged Cobra but will not be putting one on this truck.

    On a side-note how do we know the water vapor these are catching aren't helping to steam clean the valves and combustion chamber?
     
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    Thanks for your comment, it is your choice whether or not you put one on and your comment about water vapour cleaning the valves may have some truth to it. I like it. The argument could go both ways.

    One could argue the water vapour helps as it may, we really don't know because we are not inside when the engine is running and I don't know if the flow velocity would be enough? Maybe and that is interesting. On the other hand, I could argue the oil contained in the water vapour (because its not pure water vapour) is worse than any benefit the vapour cleaning may do. In addition, once the engine is warm there is no water vapour, at that point it's just an oil mist going into the engine. So the vapour may help when cold, but once the engine is warm there is no vapour, just oil mist.

    Good thinking outside the box
     
  19. Oct 8, 2019 at 2:44 PM
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    Rollin' hydrocarbons!
    Question: First, I'm not asking this to start an argument, but out of pure curiosity because I've owned a considerable amount of motorcycles and there wasn't anything I can recall that could be called a catch can. Again, this is for curiosities sake and maybe for my education.
     
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  20. Oct 8, 2019 at 2:48 PM
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    Why complain? It's a $700-$800 job that's relatively easy! I've owned and worked on many VAG cars with many varieties of the 2.0 turbo and every single one of them has needed a good valve cleaning at some point. That fact has paid for quite a bit of beer at my house! Timing chain tensioners and all the rest of the things that VAG didn't TSB initially have also paid for a ton of modifications on my car.
     
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